BMW and M Power Owners

So put down a deposit today on a G21 330i msport touring, was originally planning on a saloon but we’ve realised we’re likely to get a dog in the next few months, so having the boot space made sense.

Got pretty lucky as it’s obviously not a common model really, but then mega spec on top so very happy.

Should be picking up in a couple weeks!
 
I'm doing very low miles at the moment (3-4k per year) so car afford to have more fun than my current F30 328i. I started looking at the M340i (initially new, then used when I worked out the depreciation).

I'm now starting to consider a 2016 F10 M5 with around 60k on the clock. Insurance cost is fine, and I'm looking at BMW approved used as I would want to maintain the warranty (I'm assuming big £££), but is there anything I need to be especially wary of? I'm sure there are plenty of pitfalls so I'll be doing my research before making any decisions.
 
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I'm doing very low miles at the moment (3-4k per year) so car afford to have more fun than my current F30 328i. I started looking at the M340i (initially new, then used when I worked out the depreciation).

I'm now starting to consider a 2016 F10 M5 with around 60k on the clock. Insurance cost is fine, and I'm looking at BMW approved used as I would want to maintain the warranty (I'm assuming big £££), but is there anything I need to be especially wary of? I'm sure there are plenty of pitfalls so I'll be doing my research before making any decisions.
@DRZ Had one for a while I think. I don’t remember any issues but he’d be better placed to talk about them.
 
What did you go for tyre wise?

Think our G05 had Contis, which seemed to be ok.

Have Hankook S1 Evo Z* on the X3 now and they seem to be really decent, handle the power really well, even on a wet road. Can only imagine how good the PS4S must bE

Went with Continental ContiSportContact™ 5 P but then changed my mind as coming into winter and saw a set of original smaller alloys with winter tyres on locally so they are going on for now. Will put Contis on come spring though
 
I'm doing very low miles at the moment (3-4k per year) so car afford to have more fun than my current F30 328i. I started looking at the M340i (initially new, then used when I worked out the depreciation).

I'm now starting to consider a 2016 F10 M5 with around 60k on the clock. Insurance cost is fine, and I'm looking at BMW approved used as I would want to maintain the warranty (I'm assuming big £££), but is there anything I need to be especially wary of? I'm sure there are plenty of pitfalls so I'll be doing my research before making any decisions.

My Dad had an F10 M5 for 2-3 years, didn't have any issues with it at all.

It's actually been one of the most reliable cars for him. I think he had it between 10k and 40k miles.

What he did say, though, is that you can very quickly find yourself in a pickle if you're not used to that amount of torque going through the rear wheels - it can be quite surprising, and definitely worth having nothing short but the best tyres on it ($$$).


The main thing on the V8 is rod bearings, but if you let the car warm up properly before giving it some beans and perform regular oil changes you'll be fine.
 
It's actually been one of the most reliable cars for him. I think he had it between 10k and 40k miles.

To be fair I wouldn't expect any major issues on what was effectively a brand new car. It's once they get older that reliability and running costs become a concern - between 10k and 40k miles I'd imagine all he ever had to pay for was 2 services, a brake fluid change and some tyres.

Which, for me, is the problem with an M5. The M5 is probably the car I've always liked the most - but the type of car it is makes it, for me at least, a fairly useless purchase as they get cheaper. I don't think the M5 is a weekend car. It's a do everything car - if you're only using it occasionally and for low mileage then arguably its talents are lost on you and you'd probably find something like an M3 or even an M2 to be more suitable. If you are using it in such a way as to really benefit from what makes it so good, you're going to paying a significant amount of money in order to do so.

I've never had an M5 because every time an M5 becomes affordable, it's also got to the point where it's starting to need big money spent on it and it becoming less and less suitable for use as an everything car unless you've got so much money you don't know what to do with it, in which case you're probably already driving a newer M5 anyway.

The M5 is amazing because 90% of the time it's an ordinary 5 Series with all of the benefits of usability that brings, but 10% of the time it's really something very special. But just how much money do you want to pay to run a car that, 90% of the time, is an ordinary 5 Series, to get that 10%? And if 80% of your driving is for fun, then the fact it'll sit on the Motorway for 300 miles in complete comfort is really not that useful for you.
 
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In addition to the good points above, if you buy it AUC at 60k+ miles, when the warranty is up for renewal after 12 months, it's something like £5000~ a year onwards.

Significant cost.
 
As @MissChief said, I ran an M5 for a while and only sold it because I was made an offer significantly over what I paid for it at the time. It was conveniently just as I was moving and buying the McLaren so although I really enjoyed the car, it was the right time to go really.

Reliability wise I had a cracked DCT sump which is relatively common, a few TPMS issues which again isn't unheard of and the main thing was the rear doors started to corrode which is a general F10 problem and was sorted under warranty. The engines are pretty unstressed despite the large power output and seemingly have more power than BMW claim. They do suffer from rod bearing issues as they age as per all M cars of the last ~20 years - nowhere near as bad as the E9x/E60 M3/5 but still a thing to think about.

On the subject of fuel consumption, I averaged 21.5mpg. This was a mix between bashing around the motorway network and some more spirited driving. When it comes to motorways and fast A roads it was almost peerless. On Welsh B roads it all falls apart and it is too heavy and cumbersome and too indelicate with its power delivery. This probably isn't a surprise given what it is but it can be immensely frustrating having to manage the car instead of enjoying the drive at the speed you want to - you have to relax right off and stop attacking the road for it to all slot back into place, at which point you might as well be in a 535d (and I've owned a 535d to make that comparison!).

In summary, if you want to absolutely crush motorway distances and leave everything for dead on fast A roads, the M5 is the car for you. If you're after something more sporting and/or your travel involves a lot of B road spirited driving then buy an M3 instead.
 
To be fair I wouldn't expect any major issues on what was effectively a brand new car. It's once they get older that reliability and running costs become a concern - between 10k and 40k miles I'd imagine all he ever had to pay for was 2 services, a brake fluid change and some tyres.

Which, for me, is the problem with an M5. The M5 is probably the car I've always liked the most - but the type of car it is makes it, for me at least, a fairly useless purchase as they get cheaper. I don't think the M5 is a weekend car. It's a do everything car - if you're only using it occasionally and for low mileage then arguably its talents are lost on you and you'd probably find something like an M3 or even an M2 to be more suitable. If you are using it in such a way as to really benefit from what makes it so good, you're going to paying a significant amount of money in order to do so.

I've never had an M5 because every time an M5 becomes affordable, it's also got to the point where it's starting to need big money spent on it and it becoming less and less suitable for use as an everything car unless you've got so much money you don't know what to do with it, in which case you're probably already driving a newer M5 anyway.

The M5 is amazing because 90% of the time it's an ordinary 5 Series with all of the benefits of usability that brings, but 10% of the time it's really something very special. But just how much money do you want to pay to run a car that, 90% of the time, is an ordinary 5 Series, to get that 10%? And if 80% of your driving is for fun, then the fact it'll sit on the Motorway for 300 miles in complete comfort is really not that useful for you.

You're 100% correct but for example on his Cayenne, which he has also owned from a low mileage, has had a new transfer box, issues with DPF and also an issue with a sensor causing the engine management light to come on and car to engage limp mode.


I think he went through 3 sets of tyres in the 30k miles he did, but yes only two services including brake fluid change.



He went to an M5 from a 981 Cayman S + 535d, with the purpose of reducing some monthly costs while saving for house upgrades. He felt the M5 was a great compromise between the two, being very good as a motorway muncher but also being sporty enough. He then picked up 9 points and got rid of it because he couldn't drive it at speed limits :p



I do think older M5s are a bit of a financial trap as you say - on the surface, they may seem affordable, but they can get quite expensive to run, more than the cost of the car would suggest.
 
Thanks for all this, I'll probably go back to the M340i option or maybe a nice F80 M3 if I can find one. The M5 warranty is just too much. Also need to think about keeping the 328i and running a pure weekend car. I've had the 328i from new for 9 years but it is still mint and such cheap motoring so it is hard to justify getting rid of it.
 
Thanks for all this, I'll probably go back to the M340i option or maybe a nice F80 M3 if I can find one. The M5 warranty is just too much. Also need to think about keeping the 328i and running a pure weekend car. I've had the 328i from new for 9 years but it is still mint and such cheap motoring so it is hard to justify getting rid of it.

I would point out the M3 warranty will likely be the same cost if over 60k miles.
 
640d went in for EGR valve recall

dealer damaged my radiator while doing it, owned up straight away and are fitting me a new one so no real harm

got a M440i cabriolet as a loan car for a few days, not bad but best part of £60k (I believe), I'll pass on that one
 
640d went in for EGR valve recall

dealer damaged my radiator while doing it, owned up straight away and are fitting me a new one so no real harm

got a M440i cabriolet as a loan car for a few days, not bad but best part of £60k (I believe), I'll pass on that one

Thoughts on the petrol vs diesel?
 
Obv much rather drive a petrol engined car, just bought a diesel on the 6 series as it suits the card and is cheaper to run (it's used as a work car) well was cheaper to run before there was a 25p a litre difference

I do think the 6 series is one of the best looking cars BMW has ever made. Really looks quite good

Very elegant looking car
 
Looking at the M340i options list, HK audio is a must but not sure Technology Plus pack is worth it (seems like a lot of safety/parking aids). M Sport seats appeal. What options would you guys pick?

I might end up going new rather than nearly new as there are a few decent PCP deals available.
 
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Looking at the M340i options list, HK audio is a must but not sure Technology Plus pack is worth it (seems like a lot of safety/parking aids). M Sport seats appeal. What options would you guys pick?

I might end up going new rather than nearly new as there are a few decent PCP deals available.
Does Tech Plus Pack include the adaptive cruise, etc.? If so, then yes it's worth it IMO. 360 cameras are great too
 
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