BMW and M Power Owners

[DJMK4]

So you may as well save yourself some money, buy a car privately and then buy your own crap warranty that probably won't cover anything anyway

You are also kind of missing the point in that essentially they are just skimping on your consumer rights, and making you pay for the repair by way of the "included" warranty (that you will be paying for)

Why would i be paying for it ?

Warrenty is warrenty - Meaning, that the car would be repaired , by the warrenty covered in the first 3 months, not by me

 

[DJMK4]

Tbh, personally I would just pony up the extra and get a BMW auc for the peace of mind.

Well yes this would be the ideal scenario, but the car i want has not yet been seen on used approved site

 

[MissChief]

BMW insured warranty showing eligible on their website.
£817 for the first year

Drop roadside assistance (they'll still come and get you but it's directly to the closest BMW dealer, nowhere else) and if you want to put the excess up to £250 that'll bring it down to somewhere around £550-600 I'd imagine.

 

[Armageus]

Why would i be paying for it ?

Warrenty is warrenty - Meaning, that the car would be repaired , by the warrenty covered in the first 3 months, not by me

If it's a 3rd party warranty - then you are paying for it one way or another (i.e. via it being "included" in the price).

The dealer is essentially washing their hands of any issues and just palming you off with a 3rd party warranty.

 

[tamzzy]

Well yes this would be the ideal scenario, but the car i want has not yet been seen on used approved site

Seeing as you're already fixing the clutch on your 120d, are there any other potential failure points soon that would mean you can't wait?

 

[Armageus]

Well yes this would be the ideal scenario, but the car i want has not yet been seen on used approved site

Have you actually gone into a BMW dealer and asked?

If you make them aware of your interest in a certain model/spec, then they can often contact customers and entice them into trading their existing cars in

 

[DJMK4]

Have you actually gone into a BMW dealer and asked?

If you make them aware of your interest in a certain model/spec, then they can often contact customers and entice them into trading their existing cars in

Yes, i said before i had gone in to Sytner BMW cardiff

They said just keep an eye on the used appove website

 

[DJMK4]

Seeing as you're already fixing the clutch on your 120d, are there any other potential failure points soon that would mean you can't wait?

May not, like i said, its hard to tell, my old 3 series had bottom end engine failure at 169k

My 120d is on 141k now, its also got the N47 engine


I cant say if it will or not, its a luck thing


I wouldnt want to hold out though too long, as if something happens, i wont have a car! i need a car

 

[Armageus]

Yes, i said before i had gone in to Sytner BMW cardiff

They said just keep an eye on the used appove website

Then you've probably been unrealistic with your budget especially for an approved used..

Most proper dealers I've dealt with (Audi, Ford and Mini) have all been open to trying to locate a car, knowing that they can potentially do a deal on the car you want to buy (and potentially whatever you part ex), and if they've got "anyone currently on their books" who could be persuaded to buy a new car, another deal.

 

[tamzzy]

I wouldnt want to hold out though too long, as if something happens, i wont have a car! i need a car

Look at something other than a bottom of the barrel beemer?

 

[DJMK4]

Look at something other than a bottom of the barrel beemer?

Its not bottom of the barrel ?



@ Armageus - No i havnt ? the budget is fine and there are cars around my budget on the used approved site? just not the one im looking for. Plenty of 4 series grand coup petrols, which i dont think i want, some manuals (which i have decided i dont want)

There is a couple of autos aswel, but not really ones that i want,

Its just a stock rotation thing or one to come up that i need to wait for

There is two models very very close, one appears to be recently listed, no images yet but unfortunatly its a manual, another one listed but is an xdrive which i dont think i want a 4 wheel drive




This is the first time i have even concidered buying a car from a main dealer, iv never purchased a car from a main dealer before or even from used approved site.... they have always been 3rd party traders

 

[tamzzy]

Its not bottom of the barrel ?

It's the second cheapest LCI 420d under 70000 miles on auto trader from a trade dealer. Id be wondering why

 

[Armageus]

Its not bottom of the barrel ?

That example is from a bottom of the barrel scum trader who couldn't care less what happens to the car after he has your money. The warranty probably won't cover what you think it does

@ Armageus - No i havnt ? the budget is fine and there are cars around my budget on the used approved site? just not the one im looking for. Plenty of 4 series grand coup petrols, which i dont think i want, some manuals (which i have decided i dont want)

There is a couple of autos aswel, but not really ones that i want,

There are plenty of 420d Autos on there at the minute - plenty that meet your criteria, just not your budget.

e.g.

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

Black Dakota leather interior, Metallic Estoril Blue, 2 owners, NATIONAL DELIVERY AVAILABLE|FLEXIBLE FINANCE OPTIONS|SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE|ALL VEHICLES SANITISED, £17,495

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

We've revised prices across hundreds of used cars. Choose Approved Used and enjoy peace of mind knowing you're covered with a range of benefits from 12 months' MOT cover, 12 months' roadside assistance, 12 months' unlimited mileage warranty and more. Reserve your next car online with a fully...

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

Plenty more here:

Search All BMW Approved Used Cars - All Models | BMW UK

Select used BMW cars by model range, budget or body-style. Compare BMW model ranges and add vehicles to your watchlist.

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

Its just a stock rotation thing or one to come up that i need to wait for

It's not - an Approved Used is going to cost more - it covers the cost of the approved used warranty, plus basic work to ensure that the car is to a decent standard i.e. Tyres replaced, Services that are nearly due are done, and the car will be guaranteed to be essentially problem free for a year.

Your budget isn't enough.

This is the first time i have even concidered buying a car from a main dealer, iv never purchased a car from a main dealer before or even from used approved site.... they have always been 3rd party traders

So either buy from a 3rd party and take your chance, or up your budget and get something you can be proud of.

 

[DJMK4]

That example is from a bottom of the barrel scum trader who couldn't care less what happens to the car after he has your money. The warranty probably won't cover what you think it does


There are plenty of 420d Autos on there at the minute - plenty that meet your criteria, just not your budget.

e.g.

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

Black Dakota leather interior, Metallic Estoril Blue, 2 owners, NATIONAL DELIVERY AVAILABLE|FLEXIBLE FINANCE OPTIONS|SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE|ALL VEHICLES SANITISED, £17,495

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

We've revised prices across hundreds of used cars. Choose Approved Used and enjoy peace of mind knowing you're covered with a range of benefits from 12 months' MOT cover, 12 months' roadside assistance, 12 months' unlimited mileage warranty and more. Reserve your next car online with a fully...

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

Plenty more here:

Search All BMW Approved Used Cars - All Models | BMW UK

Select used BMW cars by model range, budget or body-style. Compare BMW model ranges and add vehicles to your watchlist.

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

It's not - an Approved Used is going to cost more - it covers the cost of the approved used warranty, plus basic work to ensure that the car is to a decent standard i.e. Tyres replaced, Services that are nearly due are done, and the car will be guaranteed to be essentially problem free for a year.

Your budget isn't enough.



So either buy from a 3rd party and take your chance, or up your budget and get something you can be proud of.

Err, my budget is £14500, i can see cars listed for £14500 on the used approved site, therefore, it is enough


Sorry, i do not agree that i have to spend £20k + to get what i want


People who pay top end whack for cars, all your paying for is your quick depreciation


Also, spending £25-30k on a car does not gaurentee no problems, your just as likely to get issues then, and have to use your warrenty fixing a car you just spent £25-30k on.

 

[Armageus]

Err, my budget is £14500, i can see cars listed for £14500 on the used approved site, therefore, it is enough

Clearly not- by your own criteria = higher mileage, higher mileage, and only a "Sport" (so a small screen). Everything else is above your budget.

Sorry, i do not agree that i have to spend £20k to get what i want

Nope but you might need to spend 16k or 17k, and I'm sure if you went to a dealer and said I've got 17k to spend they would be far more interested in trying to help than 14.5k that barely scrapes you into a 4 series.

People who pay top end whack for cars, all your paying for is your quick depreciation

Lolwut now? 2nd hand cars have already taken their biggest hit in depreciating, considering most of what you are looking at was probably around the £40k mark new. Do you really think paying another couple of grand makes much difference in terms of future value?

Also, spending £25-30k on a car does not gaurentee no problems

Absolutely not - even brand new cars get issues. The difference in how you can deal with them, and what rights and protections you have in place.

In your example of the bargain basement dealer. He will want no part of dealing with an issue, hence him selling you a 3rd party warranty. What if the warranty doesn't cover e.g. a new gearbox? You can try your consumer rights against him, maybe even take him to the small claims court, but good luck with that, as he just shuts the business and opens up under a new name next week.

Whereas, a BMW approved will likely be a better car in the first place - guaranteed service history. And it's covered by a full year of BMW warranty that is essentially the best in the business. Even in the event that the warranty doesn't cover it, you've got usually the backing of the specific BMW Dealer Franchise that is unlikely to disappear. As well as the option of escalating to BMW UK with any complaints/concerns.

 

[DJMK4]

Clearly not- by your own criteria = higher mileage, higher mileage, and only a "Sport" (so a small screen). Everything else is above your budget.

Nope but you might need to spend 16k or 17k, and I'm sure if you went to a dealer and said I've got 17k to spend they would be far more interested in trying to help than 14.5k that barely scrapes you into a 4 series.



Lolwut now? 2nd hand cars have already taken their biggest hit in depreciating, considering most of what you are looking at was probably around the £40k mark new. Do you really think paying another couple of grand makes much difference in terms of future value?


Absolutely not - even brand new cars get issues. The difference in how you can deal with them, and what rights and protections you have in place.

In your example of the bargain basement dealer. He will want no part of dealing with an issue, hence him selling you a 3rd party warranty. What if the warranty doesn't cover e.g. a new gearbox? You can try your consumer rights against him, maybe even take him to the small claims court, but good luck with that, as he just shuts the business and opens up under a new name next week.

Whereas, a BMW approved will likely be a better car in the first place - guaranteed service history. And it's covered by a full year of BMW warranty that is essentially the best in the business. Even in the event that the warranty doesn't cover it, you've got usually the backing of the specific BMW Dealer Franchise that is unlikely to disappear. As well as the option of escalating to BMW UK with any complaints/concerns.

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

Black Dakota leather interior, Non-Metallic Jet Black, 2 owners, £14,500

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420i xDrive M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

M Sport Pro Pack | Interior comfort package | Reversing Camera | Front Heated Seats | Sun Protection Glass | Electric Memory Seats | Harman/Kardon Surround Sound | 1000's more BMW's available, visit sytner.co.uk/bmw/ to view our full range. Ivory White/Black Dakota Leather interior, Metallic...

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

Im not going to argue tbh

like i said, people seem to have a willy waving contest on what they want to spend on car


I could list about 30 cars on here, but people will always complain about something

I dont really care, i would never spend £20k or £30k on a car, because i dont want to......



I have seen lots of 420d grand coupes within budget, just because they are not approved used BMW. There are also cars that would show up on the used approved site, however, you have to wait for something to come up on the market


Abit like waiting for a new property to be listed by someone on the property market.

 

[Armageus]

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420d Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

Black Dakota leather interior, Non-Metallic Jet Black, 2 owners, £14,500

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe 420i xDrive M Sport Gran Coupe 2.0 5dr

M Sport Pro Pack | Interior comfort package | Reversing Camera | Front Heated Seats | Sun Protection Glass | Electric Memory Seats | Harman/Kardon Surround Sound | 1000's more BMW's available, visit sytner.co.uk/bmw/ to view our full range. Ivory White/Black Dakota Leather interior, Metallic...

usedcars.bmw.co.uk

Neither are actually in stock yet or available - I'd imagine the price may well increase after they've been given the once over

Im not going to argue tbh

Fine - Just buy what you want. You've made it clear that despite numerous people given you some pretty good advice, that unless it's what you come up with, you aren't going to entertain it. That's fine as well, but if/when it goes wrong, surely you can't say you weren't warned.

like i said, people seem to have a willy waving contest on what they want to spend on car

Certainly no willy waving from me - I drive a 2011 Mini worth about £3k And no one has said you need to spend £20k or £30k. Purely that your budget is on the very tight side for the car you seem to be set on.

I have seen lots of 420d grand coupes within budget, just because they are not approved used BMW

And again that's up to you. It's a risk versus reward. Yes they are cheaper, but they are cheaper for a reason.
BMW's *can* end up being expensive cars if something goes wrong. If you are potentially buying a cheap one, why is it cheap? (It could be that someone is getting rid of their own problem)

An approved used BMW is the easiest, most hassle free way to own a used BMW. Whether you think it's worth the extra £3k or premium or whatever compared to one from elsewhere - that's up to you.

If I was spending anything near £14.5k on a car, I'd want it to be as low risk as possible, as that's an amount I can't afford to lose. Therefore I'd either stretch that little more for an Approved Used (as I did with my Wife's Mini Countryman), or look at something else that I could sensibly afford.

 

[DJMK4]

Neither are actually in stock yet or available - I'd imagine the price may well increase after they've been given the once over


Fine - Just buy what you want. You've made it clear that despite numerous people given you some pretty good advice, that unless it's what you come up with, you aren't going to entertain it. That's fine as well, but if/when it goes wrong, surely you can't say you weren't warned.


Certainly no willy waving from me - I drive a 2011 Mini worth about £3k And no one has said you need to spend £20k or £30k. Purely that your budget is on the very tight side for the car you seem to be set on.


And again that's up to you. It's a risk versus reward. Yes they are cheaper, but they are cheaper for a reason.
BMW's *can* end up being expensive cars if something goes wrong. If you are potentially buying a cheap one, why is it cheap? (It could be that someone is getting rid of their own problem)

An approved used BMW is the easiest, most hassle free way to own a used BMW. Whether you think it's worth the extra £3k or premium or whatever compared to one from elsewhere - that's up to you.

If I was spending anything near £14.5k on a car, I'd want it to be as low risk as possible, as that's an amount I can't afford to lose. Therefore I'd either stretch that little more for an Approved Used (as I did with my Wife's Mini Countryman), or look at something else that I could sensibly afford.

Well i did opt for buying a 2 series or 3 series, but clearly its not good enough and i should buy a Ford instead.


There is no compromise


There is no point me spending £25k on a car thats going to be driven through a city and some motorway which has completely crappy conditioned roads


Given that my current car is a standard M Sport 120D with no nav screens, no real feature and cost me £5500 when i bought it, , and the car before that was a BMW320D SE which i paid £6k for

i would say what ever i buy would be a step up, and im raising my budget to £14.5k, £14.8k at a push,

 

[Kenai]

Your problem is not that there's "no compromise" or the budget is objectively too small, it's that when your budget was £10k you were looking for cars that demanded £12k for a good clean example. Now you've upped your budget to £14k but you're also now trying to buy cars that will demand £16k for a clean example.

Used cars are more expensive than last time you were car shopping. People tried to tell you this a year ago but you disagreed, yet here you are a year later, still unable to find a decent example of anything you like in your budget. If you don't change your expectations, this conversation will probably still be happening in 2026. Or you'll have bought a cheap lemon and be complaining it's broken and the warranty turned out to be toilet paper.

 

[DJMK4]

Your problem is not that there's "no compromise" or the budget is objectively too small, it's that when your budget was £10k you were looking for cars that demanded £12k for a good clean example. Now you've upped your budget to £14k but you're also now trying to buy cars that will demand £16k for a clean example.

Used cars are more expensive than last time you were car shopping. People tried to tell you this a year ago but you disagreed, yet here you are a year later, still unable to find a decent example of anything you like in your budget. If you don't change your expectations, this conversation will probably still be happening in 2026. Or you'll have bought a cheap lemon and be complaining it's broken and the warranty turned out to be toilet paper.

I have only been searching recently, i wasn’t searching a year ago, i was toying of buying a new car, as in talking about it, i wasnt searching

Im looking at cars that are within budget


Over and out