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That top speed is using JUST the electric engine, and the total combined power is 360HP. Not sure of the top speed or 0-60 but i'm pretty sure this is supposed to be a sports car so it won't be slow.
EDIT: Seems like 0-60 is 4.5 seconds and top speed is limited to 155MPH as usual
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Fairly sure the electric motor will work in unison with the petrol engine to fill in the torque gaps like the Mclaren video Chris Harris just did, the electric motor will be working almost constantly to help provide seemless torque everywhere.
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Not really the same at all the way I see it, the McLaren system augments the engines torque by adding more directly into the flywheel, this cars electric system is a completely separate drive not even working on the same axle.
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Peak and continous rating possibly.
Power limited to maximise range?
131bhp maybe from engine generated electricity and the batteries cant push that power.
Is this a bit like a Lexus GS450h then? A proper engine but with an electric one to assist? Because when that works in that way it makes a silly humming noise at all speeds (so I have been told, can't find one to test drive down here).
Except the BMW gets a 3 cylinder 1.5L engine instead of a 3.5litre v6...
Except the BMW gets a 3 cylinder 1.5L engine instead of a 3.5litre v6...
BMW's equivilent to the GS450H is the ActiveHybrid5. It gets a 3 litre turbocharged straight six.
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Actually the torque converter gets taken out and replaced with a clutch pack either side of the e motor. So it's not quite a 'proper' auto, it will be the 8HP75PH in the X5 I guess. Better than the Lexus /Toyota power split device with the infinite ratio aspect.
I keep trying to work out if the ActiveHybrid5 is any good or just some sort of flagship NEDC-dodge. They seem loathed on the used market - an ActiveHybrid5 is many thousands of pounds less than the equiivlent 535i on which its based which makes it a tempting proposition as it's sure to hit my budget quicker than a 535i of the same age.
Is it basically a 5 Series that works like a Prius and silently wafts around traffic on battery power, or a big gimmick?
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It's the typical premium approach, try a few efficient 'e' products and more now appearing with plug in capability thanks to stuff like the Prius and Volt driving in production processes and material supply chains. The PHEVs then means manufacturers are pushing the extra power aspect with guilt free driving as you can commute to work on electricity but have the speed for when your in the mood for a thrill. The TDV6 hybrid RRs are superb and really compete with the TDV8 on pace yet offer the novelty of EV. Easier to hide in an SUV especially where we put the batteries.
The VW golf is testament to that ethos of fast as they are going for the GTE model range in the plugin as it's more akin to a GTi than a BlueMotion.
The VW golf is testament to that ethos of fast as they are going for the GTE model range in the plugin as it's more akin to a GTi than a BlueMotion.
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If it's not out the wall there is little point having a large EV range, your still burning fuel to make that electricity if you want significant EV range whilst adding cost, weight and compromises for what is a gimmick EV mode.
It basically should be thought of refillable nitrous oxide and is hence a downsizing enabling technology.
It basically should be thought of refillable nitrous oxide and is hence a downsizing enabling technology.
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Worth noting a lot of Teslas profit isn't from car selling but US carbon credits to other OEMs... ActiveHybrid are part of BMWs commitment to that.
I quite like the Merc approach as they have gone full on derv 4 cyl with a rather elegant hybrid system for the co. Car user/efficient driver.
I quite like the Merc approach as they have gone full on derv 4 cyl with a rather elegant hybrid system for the co. Car user/efficient driver.
I'm toying with taking the short trip to see this over the weekend, providing it's still available - I've always had a thing for the E46 and it's time for a new car 
Any initial impressions/ opinions? Haven't a clue what I'm looking for in terms of what to be weary of to be honest, but from searching around here a bit it seems suspension and wheel arch rust are two of the most common suggestions?
Any initial impressions/ opinions? Haven't a clue what I'm looking for in terms of what to be weary of to be honest, but from searching around here a bit it seems suspension and wheel arch rust are two of the most common suggestions?