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Why would that be the case? Pretty sure they are still providing updates for the system in the E39, E53 and E46...?
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Why would that be the case? Pretty sure they are still providing updates for the system in the E39, E53 and E46...?
You can but at a heavy cost, from memory CCC to CIC is about £1k in (used) parts alone, would imagine CIC to nbt would be of at least a similar order, then the coding if you can't do it yourself.
There also used to be some missing functionality with the nbt conversions not sure if its been changed now
[TW]Fox;27385833 said:
It could be complete rubbish hence why I said it's only a rumour, but it was posted recently on e90post by Dracon, the forums resident BMW satnav guru. Apparently they're stopping the MK4 updates at the same time:
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The cost is similar to retro fitting the CIC system. The NBT hardware is fairly reasonable available for around £600, the adapter kit puts the price up as it is pricey for what you get but one kit is supplied with a self coder so it is plug and play.
I believe you may well be stretching the term "plug and play" a little...more like rip dashboard to bits, pull out various bits of trim, drop in some "acquired" pieces of hardware, hack around some wires, put dash/car/trim back together and pray would be more accurate.
Wow, seems a bit odd, people with Mk4 computers got a far better deal then as it's been years since new cars were supplied with them.
I'd imagine people with 2010 X3's might be somewhat annoyed by this though - buy brand new car, lose map updates just 4 years later
[TW]Fox;27385961 said:Wow, seems a bit odd, people with Mk4 computers got a far better deal then as it's been years since new cars were supplied with them.
I'd imagine people with 2010 X3's might be somewhat annoyed by this though - buy brand new car, lose map updates just 4 years later
Does seem like an odd move. Stopping MK4 updates I can understand as even the newest cars with those fitted should be about 8 years old now, but like you say, there are much newer cars fitted with CCC.
Only time will tell if what he says is true I guess.
Oh aye it's been a long 5 years but in a way this is good, my current car has taught me a lot about E46s and RWD cars in general on the road and the Sport range share many underpinnings across the line, engines aside of course.
Still, going from a rev happy 2L 4cyl to a rev happy and vocal 3.2L 6cyl with more than twice the BHP is a nice upgrade
I assume mostly because it's a manual and more involving
SMG II is pretty reliable although you will get a few that need pumps and stuff fail, like any other car with any other component really. Mostly just bad luck I guess.
Still, going from a rev happy 2L 4cyl to a rev happy and vocal 3.2L 6cyl with more than twice the BHP is a nice upgrade
I assume mostly because it's a manual and more involving
SMG II is pretty reliable although you will get a few that need pumps and stuff fail, like any other car with any other component really. Mostly just bad luck I guess.
Actually thats not the case - Mk4 outlasted CCC.
The X3, discontinued in 2011, had Mk4 right through to end of production whereas all CCC fitted vehicles had CIC fitted or were discontinued before then.
So we have the odd situation whereby if you have one of the last X3's you could have a 2011 car bought new from BMW for which there are no more nav updates
I presume that the LSD in an E46 M3 is a Drexler? If so, does it have a service schedule and associated tickbox in the service book?
I'm curious because I don't ever recall seeing it mentioned before when people say what to look out for when buying.
I'm curious because I don't ever recall seeing it mentioned before when people say what to look out for when buying.
DSC will be left firmly on for a couple months that's for sure, just until I'm completely at home with the way the car communicates with me. I'm used to my coupe still so it will take time to adapt to the more precise nature of the M3 and being a cab it's a little bit more jittery at speed so I need to adapt to that too but perhaps that's all part of the fun, always on edge? 
E46 M3s have "Variable M Differential Lock".
Seems bespoke to the M3^
E46 M3s have "Variable M Differential Lock".
Seems bespoke to the M3^
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