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330i!? Sigh... why couldn't they keep the naming convention for more than 5 minutes, 328i kinda made sense, but 330i with a 2 litre engine?
340i looks nice, mind.
Typical BMW facelift though, they've changed virtually nothing but surprise surprise LED lights are back
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Well they have caught up.... Sat Nav as standard. Guess that has to reflect on the base price.
That 316d must be a beast with 114bhp....
That 316d must be a beast with 114bhp....
IMHO this isn't a good thing at all for used buyers. Same thing with the LCI on the 5, previously most people would spec Nav for an extra cost and once they are doing so most would opt for the proper Professional Navigation. Since the 5 LCI where it became standard proportionally far fewer cars have Pro Nav as people just settled for the low end option instead.
Making it harder to find Pro Nav fitted cars used....
Same with the standard fit Xenons on the 5. Most pre LCI cars have a visibility pack with Xenons, LED indicators, high beam assist and adaptive lights. Then Xenons became standard, with none of those things. Nobody specs the vis pack anymore which is why you even find a surprising number of M5's with crap front lights with 1990's style indicator bulbs.
More spec as standard isn't always a good thing!
"Making it harder to find Pro Nav fitted cars used...."
Just retrofitted pronav on my M135i, cost me £700 and is fully coded, couldn't stomach/afford the £1700 at purchase time and its now a £1900 option from BMW, is it any wonder people don't pay the full price when ordering ?
at least its now a genuine option when sourcing a 2nd hand lower spec'd car, admittedly it may be a different proposition on 5 series etc
Just retrofitted pronav on my M135i, cost me £700 and is fully coded, couldn't stomach/afford the £1700 at purchase time and its now a £1900 option from BMW, is it any wonder people don't pay the full price when ordering ?
at least its now a genuine option when sourcing a 2nd hand lower spec'd car, admittedly it may be a different proposition on 5 series etc
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Do you have the LCI prices Fox?
It's not so much the nav aspect itself its problems with updating vehicle coding etc etc for unrelated faults if you've got randomly retrofitted stuff.
the coding as I understand it is almost entirely specific to the NBT, when I swapped the hardware all that was changed was the model of head unit and the enabling of black panel support from the new unit.
there are numerous other data buses on the car as you know and all functions are working perfectly on my car as a whole
perhaps I am in the minority on how little coding was required on mine, but I felt it might be helpful info for others entertaining the idea.
I hadn't allowed for the "purists"
there are numerous other data buses on the car as you know and all functions are working perfectly on my car as a whole
perhaps I am in the minority on how little coding was required on mine, but I felt it might be helpful info for others entertaining the idea.
I hadn't allowed for the "purists"
the coding as I understand it is almost entirely specific to the NBT, when I swapped the hardware all that was changed was the model of head unit and the enabling of black panel support from the new unit.
there are numerous other data buses on the car as you know and all functions are working perfectly on my car as a whole
perhaps I am in the minority on how little coding was required on mine, but I felt it might be helpful info for others entertaining the idea.
I hadn't allowed for the "purists"
The issue is that if the dealer needs to do a vehicle integration update it can fail if you have retrofitted things. Whilst this is fine if everything is planned if your car goes duff at the side of the road and is collected and requires new parts at the dealer it can all get quite messy.
Meaning that retrofitting items like that is best avoided if you wish to maintain and use warranty.
I looked into it to see about retrofitting the combox.
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[TW]Fox;28006210 said:
Link me a 335 with iDrive, don't mind if its the coupe or saloon, under 90k miles, Manual and most important thing to me in a car, Heated seats for under £10k and I may actually consider viewing it with the intention to buy.
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from other users experiences worst case in a updated firmware scenario is you need to recode the non original kit, so no issue really,
I have submitted my car for service already under the extended service agreement with mods installed, there was zero comment made by dealer
if you read the BMW small print yes it seems rock solid but in reality I have not read any horror stories to date other than an M235i engine blowing up on a track day which has no relation to updated hardware or tuning
as regards functionality I have latest maps for satnav, live traffic, voice activation, Bluetooth streaming, album art, video playback, google etc etc, and I can access all my service data and trip computer as normal.
BMW connected drive/apps is locked to the vin, and the vin coded to the original head unit, so alas that is not working, arguably is it worth having ?
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The posts regarding firmware updates and retrofits are highly inaccurate and shows a lack of in depth knowledge on how ISTA or SSS works when it comes to programming BMWs.
When retrofitting something in a BMW you run a retrofit command, this retrofit command comes as a package, in that package the most important thing is the CCM being updated with the retrofit.
Once everything is completed there will be zero difference on ISTA/D or DIS between a vehicle that has had something from the factory and something aftermarket.
So when you do go into SSS or ISTA/P it will see everything that needs updating and go for it. That will automatically include your retrofit.
Programming does go wrong but it will never be because of the retrofit.
When retrofitting something in a BMW you run a retrofit command, this retrofit command comes as a package, in that package the most important thing is the CCM being updated with the retrofit.
Once everything is completed there will be zero difference on ISTA/D or DIS between a vehicle that has had something from the factory and something aftermarket.
So when you do go into SSS or ISTA/P it will see everything that needs updating and go for it. That will automatically include your retrofit.
Programming does go wrong but it will never be because of the retrofit.
hence the "as I understand it" quote
the fact as you have confirmed is its not something to worry about, would you agree ?
We are talking about retrofits which would be performed with E-SYS on F Series BMW's though, not E Series ones? Pretty much every discussion I read about retrofitting something like the Combox, or Pro nav, indicated that you needed to make sure it was removable from the vehicle to avoid issues caused by integration level updates by dealers. This wasn't the case with E series retrofits so presumably something changed.
This is why most of the retrofit kits sold for things like CIC, NBT, Combox, cameras, etc are easily reversible to allow them to be unplugged?
Just had my car serviced, all went well except the front tyres are a bit low tread. I don't like run flats as they are noisy etc, I asked about putting normal tyres on, the guy didn't recommend it. He said something about the rim lip not fitting?