BMW and M Power Owners

so electrician in work came and asked me what i thought of m5's.

I shrugged and said aye nice cars.

he is looking to spend about 20k on one about 08 or 09 plate.

what is he likely to get for that. something decent?
 
opstrat said:
so electrician in work came and asked me what i thought of m5's.

I shrugged and said aye nice cars.

he is looking to spend about 20k on one about 08 or 09 plate.

what is he likely to get for that. something decent?
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I'd say if he's trying to buy an 08 or 09 M3, that's probably what he'd get for ~20K.
 
Is it silly to spend 20k on an 8 year old car? Obviously that's something he has to ask himself. What kind of spec should he be looking at. He saw one today with logic sound and hud with a few others.
 
It doesn't sound like he knows what he wants, so why does he want an M3? Does he know how much they cost to keep on the road properly? What does he want out of a car? What doe he have now?

So many questions.
 
yeah i know. At first he was looking at an rs6 now an m5 so a fast saloon is what he is thinking.

he drives a Mercedes e class coupé diesel.
 
[TW]Fox;28800849 said:
If you get a puncture you can run on flat for 50 miles - so no arriving at your destination if its further than that..
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The guidance is 50 miles but you can drive much further than that on them flat.

They don't suddenly turn into a pumpkin at 50 miles :p
 
SDK^ said:
The guidance is 50 miles but you can drive much further than that on them flat.

They don't suddenly turn into a pumpkin at 50 miles :p
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The sidewall is only rated to hold the weight of the car for distances of up to 50 miles.

You go right ahead and drive hundreds of miles on a deflated runflat tyre - I'll pass, thanks.
 
That's why they are less likely to blow out due to sidewall strength. Less likely for the tread body to seperate from the wall to flail in the wheel arch and get locked into the suspension spring locking the wheel...

I Hit debris, been there got the t shirt, 2 rods and 6 screws.
 
[TW]Fox;28808252 said:
The sidewall is only rated to hold the weight of the car for distances of up to 50 miles.

You go right ahead and drive hundreds of miles on a deflated runflat tyre - I'll pass, thanks.
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I did, unknowingly and it lasted up fine. Sure I wouldn't choose to travel hundreds of miles but there will be a safety margin built in to the 50 mile guidance. It's probably safe up to +20 to 30 miles.

I guess you're the type of person that would stop at 50 miles if the garage was another 2 miles away, and walk with the tyre under your arm :p
 
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The lease on my 320D efficient dynamics runs out early next year. Seen a good lease deal on a 420d mpower, anyone recommend that car?
 
Test drove the 3 yesterday - massively massively underwhelmed. It felt absolutely no different whatsoever to my 1 series, except it has a boot.
 
I was expecting similarities, but there was literally nothing. Not what I was expecting on what is supposedly an upgrade. I had already tested the Lexus IS300h/200 and the interior is miles ahead, fair enough Idrive is a better system, but that's not everything.
 
Spit said:
The lease on my 320D efficient dynamics runs out early next year. Seen a good lease deal on a 420d mpower, anyone recommend that car?
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Its the same as the car you already have, just a different trim level and with 2 less doors (or a hatch back).

So you already know if it's any good.

There is nothing 'M Power' about it.
 
[TW]Fox;28800849 said:
This is the common rationale behind retaining runflats but IMHO it is flawed.

If you get a puncture you can run on flat for 50 miles - so no arriving at your destination if its further than that.

With a conventional tyre unless it's blown out you can almost always re-inflate the tyre and drive on for some distance - usually to a tyre shop to effect a repair.

So either way if its dark, wet and raining and you've got a long way to go you won't be going a long way with a puncture irrespective of whether you have RFT's or not.

The RFT's on the F10 are better than they ever were but the other problem is tyre availability - there are almost no good tyres available in the size the F10 on 19's takes. You end up stuck with Goodyear Excellence, Michelin Primacy or Dunlop SP Sport MAXX.

No CS5's, no Pilot Super Sports, no Eagle F1 A2, etc etc...
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The point of a run flat isn't to get to your destination its to get you to a place of safety to replace the punctured tyre.

With a non rft you run the risk of being rear ended whist sat at the side of the road or hard shoulder of the motorway whilst trying to reinflate the tyre or trying to change the wheel.

As somebody who's seen far too many incidents of vehicles being hit whilst stopped at the side of the road, I'd far rather a run flat Goodyear Excellence, Michelin Primacy or Dunlop SP Sport MAXX and the ablitiy to get to a safe place to sort it, a 50+ mile range gives you plenty of options.

And as an HGV driver, where you cannot have run flat tyres, I can tell you one of the dreads of my job is the prospect of a puncture / blowout where you know you have to stop and put yourself and others at considerable risk.

I'm sorry Fox, but the flawed logic here is that a non run flat is the better option.
 
Spit said:
The lease on my 320D efficient dynamics runs out early next year. Seen a good lease deal on a 420d mpower, anyone recommend that car?
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I like the 4 series chassis/dynamics.

How many miles do you do? Are you sure you want diesel and not a more pleasant petrol? You might be surprised by the efficiency of the petrol engines...

[TW]Fox;28810028 said:
Its the same as the car you already have, just a different trim level and with 2 less doors (or a hatch back).

So you already know if it's any good.

There is nothing 'M Power' about it.
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They drive slightly differently, the 4-series coupe feels a little lighter on its feet than the 3 sedan.
 
Scania said:
I'm sorry Fox, but the flawed logic here is that a non run flat is the better option.
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So where are the RFT's on your car? Oh, wait...

How common is it to suffer random and significant tyre damage where the only option is an immediate stop at the side of the road, assuming we exclude blowouts caused by poor maintenance?

You've been driving for many years and have a great deal of experience - how many times have you been required to immediately stop your car (Not the truck) because it has been completely disabled by a puncture?

The vast majority of punctures do not result in immediate deflation and do not require you to perform a stop in a dangerous location. It is therefore a sufficiently rare event that IMHO you do not need to compromise the ride and handling of your car and considerably increase your motoring costs by using RFT's over non RFT's.
 
I think a fair few people have bought into the marketing hype on run flats. I know of one person in my friends and family group who's suffered instantaneous deflation and that was a blowout which runflats don't mitigate.

I've had cars with and without and I would never willingly fit run-flats to my car. The reinforced sidewalls come at a pretty evident impact to both ride quality and handling.
 
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