BNP Advert... WOW... just WOW.... Really?

[Sankari]

I think they may well be talking about the cost teaching them to the tax payer?.

Are they? What is the cost to the taxpayer? And I repeat: BNP supporters keep telling us that foreigners should learn English when they come to the UK. Now they're complaining because foreigners are being taught English. Utterly stupid.

I.E I had to have some point injections and 3 of the patients there with me had to have a translator each. And translator's don't come cheap.

The schools use teachers, not translators! Teaching English as a second language is a very common skillset these days, particularly among teachers.

 

[T C]

1:27 in and I switched off. What a crock of the proverbial. The sad thing is people really believe this...they really do. I suppose the cartoony approach is the only way to reach out to the brain dead BNP/EDF supporters. I really can't think of anything else to say about that vid...It's blown my mind!

 

[UncleRuckus]

What have academics got to do with it?

Is all the anti-foreigner sentiment because we're upset at foreigners stealing students' cleaning jobs? Why aren't students voting for the BNP?

Boy, oh boy my head. Someone pass the Alakseltza!

 

[The Running Man]

That's a very good question and one that I cannot answer as I'm torn between elements and policies of the various parties. However extremist politics does nothing for me at all.

Quite. Please also note I wouldn't vote BNP etc because I believe that the core of the party is racist.

but I also believe the mainstream parties to be insincere and complacent in their policies and their enactment of their manifestos.

 

[jcr]

I wanna vote today!

 

[KingOfTheDaves]

Due to our standards of education, local familiarisation, English being a first language etc? I'm not saying that every Briton is AAA material but that there would be relatively few (unspecialised) jobs where a foreign born worker would be tangibly better. Unless you can show differently?

If this were in any way true the Premier League would contain a majority of English players. If an employer is willing to pay, actually skill and ability trumps your strawman of education, familiarisation and language.

 

[Redz]

BNP complains that foreigners are being taught to speak English.

I thought the complaint was that English was being taught in some of our schools as a foreign language.

 

[elmarko]

That's a very good question and one that I cannot answer as I'm torn between elements and policies of the various parties. However extremist politics does nothing for me at all.

It's a case of damage mitigation sadly.

Personally I just take my top 10 key issues - do some research on the most plausible & supported by science methods of resolving them & them compare them against each parties manifesto promises & vote accordingly.

Using this method is a sure-fire way to avoid ever voting for the BNP.

 

[UncleRuckus]

If this were in any way true the Premier League would contain a majority of English players. If an employer is willing to pay, actually skill and ability trumps your strawman of education, familiarisation and language.

Communication is very important, I think you need to be a little more precise.

 

[V-Spec]

Due to our standards of education, local familiarisation, English being a first language etc? I'm not saying that every Briton is AAA material but that there would be relatively few (unspecialised) jobs where a foreign born worker would be tangibly better. Unless you can show differently?

I've done about 15 job interviews this year specialising in telecommunications (networks) in London, all paying between £60k - 80kpa, or £350-600 per day for contractors,

I haven't interviewed a single English person this year (not one), they've mostly been from India with some from Pakistan and one or two African/Nigerian, and some from the EU and Russia,

It might just be because I'm in London - but these are highly specialised roles, all going to foreigners, many of whom are on work permits/visas, but we simply don't get English people applying - they don't get rejected or weeded out, we simply don't get the applications..

 

[cheesyboy]

I thought the complaint was that English was being taught in some of our schools as a foreign language.

How else to learn it? Probably no good delivering the lesson as a native language if you're trying to teach them to speak it.

It's an odd complaint, anyway. There are plenty of schools in Spain, for example, populated by native english speakers where Spanish is a foreign language.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I thought the complaint was that English was being taught in some of our schools as a foreign language.

No - the terms "foreign" and "second" have been used interchangeably and that's not correct.

If a person from Poland moves here, his first language will be Polish and his second language will be likely be English and thus will be taught English as a second language. Just because you move here doesn't automatically make English your first language.

I don't see the issue.

 

[Erich Kriegler]

Unskilled minimum wage jobs

Your British candidates tend to be the bottom dregs of the employment pool.

Foreign options tend to be those who have the wherewithal to travel hundreds of miles to try to set themselves up for a better life, despite the language, cultural and financial challenges such a move would entail. i.e. they aren't the dregs.

It's not hard to see why the foreign candidates tend to get those jobs.

Or the many skilled jobs where we don't have enough British candidates with sufficient skill?

Seems like racism is ok on here if it it's directed to British people.

 

[JHeaton]

Seems like racism is ok on here if it it's directed to British people.

To be fair, British is a nationality, not a race.

 

[elmarko]

To be fair, British is a nationality, not a race.

Yeah, but a racist would only think white people are British....

 

[mlbtheshow]

Yeah, but a racist would only think white people are British....

I think thats where people get mixed up in both directions. The BNP dont actually portray Racism, its Nationalism. Now im not saying members or voters are not racist, but that video didnt come across as racist, just nationalistic and ignorant.

As for the video itself, surely its better to show it for what it is... giving them this negative attention is probably more than they would get by showing it? idk, I dont vote anyway.

 

[deuse]

Are they? What is the cost to the taxpayer? And I repeat: BNP supporters keep telling us that foreigners should learn English when they come to the UK. Now they're complaining because foreigners are being taught English. Utterly stupid.

The cost would be great. I know that if you go to the JCP\Hospital ect.
and you can't speak English they will supply a translator for you.

The schools use teachers, not translators! Teaching English as a second language is a very common skillset these days, particularly among teachers.

Yes schools teach children for free not adults. I see you're missing the UK already

 

[UncleRuckus]

To be fair, British is a nationality, not a race.

Wot m8? u looking 4 a smack in the gabber?

 

[DangerMoose]

I watched the vid in the OP and tea came out of my nose. True story.

 

[cheesyboy]

Seems like racism is ok on here if it it's directed to British people.

It's simple demographics - the bottom slice of the employment pool in the UK is just that - the bottom slice. As a group, they are the most geographically immobile, and the least educated. The foreign workers, by self-selection based on their willingness to travel, are (as a group) simply from a more capable demographic.

I would like to see government policy ploughing more investment into education and training for the bottom 10% in the UK - they certainly need it. But the fact remains that, at the moment, they are (as a group) outskilled by foreign labour.