Boeing 777 shot down

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 01:24

Pestilence said:
There's no "they" when it comes to looting from the corpses.

That's just modern humanity. Laid bare and clear to see.

Animalistic. Materialistic. Craving for money. Nothing matters. They don't know these people. They don't care.

In this particular situation, it looks much to me like someone pushed the button when they shouldn't have. A plain mistake. But I hope it's preying on their conscience for these days since, and perhaps we'll see some justice for this.

It doesn't matter that outside we can see that these were innocents dead for a conflict that mattered not to them. Now picked clean by, no doubt, combatants in that which led to their pointless deaths.

It sickens me. It really does. I turn on the television to watch the news each day and all I see is this and the worsening genocide in Palestine, and nothing but rhetoric and finger-pointing from spineless warmongers. It angers me immeasurably. I hate the human race beyond measure. I really do.

It isn't a genocide in Palestine so you don't have to get so upset mate.

This was a genocide http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13431486

Pestilence · 19 Jul 2014 at 01:32

AndyCroft1982 said:
It isn't a genocide in Palestine so you don't have to get so upset mate.

This was a genocide http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13431486

It's getting there. Mark my words.

But yeah, Rwanda, Darfur, all that ****. Utterly inhumane, yet human. **** humanity. **** it all the way to the rotting grave it's digging itself.

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 01:50

Pestilence said:
It's getting there. Mark my words.

But yeah, Rwanda, Darfur, all that ****. Utterly inhumane, yet human. **** humanity. **** it all the way to the rotting grave it's digging itself.

It is FAR from being a genocide, stop being so melodramatic

Pestilence · 19 Jul 2014 at 01:59

AndyCroft1982 said:
It is FAR from being a genocide, stop being so melodramatic

Ah, okay. I'll take your word for it and stop worrying. Thanks.

Sin_Chase · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:06

Westyfield2 said:
Singapore Airlines SQ351 (B777) and Air India AI113 (B787) were about 25 km from MH17 when it disappeared.

I'm flying SQ319 pretty much that route soon. Was relieved to read the following:

Singapore Airlines would like to advise customers that we are no longer using the Ukrainian airspace and have re-routed all our flights to alternative flight paths that are away from the region.

Stark difference:

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:14

Pestilence said:
Ah, okay. I'll take your word for it and stop worrying. Thanks.

Glad i could help

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:15

Bet you are relieved Sin

Pestilence · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:15

AndyCroft1982 said:
Glad i could help

I was actually earnest, too.

Sin_Chase · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:23

AndyCroft1982 said:
Bet you are relieved Sin

I am, but think it's just such an utter disgrace and shame anyone had to fly that route and end up being the unfortunate souls on MH17.

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:26

Sin_Chase said:
I am, but think it's just such an utter disgrace and shame anyone had to fly that route and end up being the unfortunate souls on MH17.

Agreed, but its not all the airlines fault as they were told flying above 30k would be safe by the EU air traffic department

The poor families though that have found out / waiting to hear about their family on the plane

Boycey0211 · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:26

Sin_Chase said:
I am, but think it's just such an utter disgrace and shame anyone had to fly that route and end up being the unfortunate souls on MH17.

As said by both ICAO/IATA and other sources, it wasn't deemed a threat at the time which is tragic

There are many SAM sites around regular flight routes but they aren't cosidered a risk as they are professionally operated

Sin_Chase · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:29

Boycey0211 said:
As said by both ICAO/IATA and other sources, it wasn't deemed a threat at the time which is tragic There are many SAM sites around regular flight routes but they aren't cosidered a risk as they are professionally operated

Not suggesting the airlines really did anything wrong, nobody would have realistically expected this.

It's just all very very sad.

Boycey0211 · 19 Jul 2014 at 02:33

Sin_Chase said:
Not suggesting the airlines really did anything wrong, nobody would have realistically expected this.

It's just all very very sad.

no imo they didn't and you're quite right, it was unexpected and extremely sad.

a learing experience at the cost of nearly 300 lives unfortunately

Tefal · 19 Jul 2014 at 03:20

AndyCroft1982 said:
It isn't a genocide in Palestine so you don't have to get so upset mate.

This was a genocide http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13431486

whats really disturbing is one of the biggest atrocities in recent history was committed almost entirely with agricultural tools

ubersonic · 19 Jul 2014 at 03:47

Sin_Chase said:
Not suggesting the airlines really did anything wrong, nobody would have realistically expected this.

Sorry but I don't agree with this, it's been known for weeks that the rebels had declared their airspace to be a no fly zone and that they had SAM capabilities up to 72,000ft.

The EU air traffic department were wrong to tell the airlines that flying above 30k would be safe, and the airlines were wrong to accept it.

Farore · 19 Jul 2014 at 04:00

I find it hard to believe that this has happened! My heart goes out to the family and friends of all those affected....

I hope the perpetrators are brought to swift justice.

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 04:03

ubersonic said:
Sorry but I don't agree with this, it's been known for weeks that the rebels had declared their airspace to be a no fly zone and that they had SAM capabilities up to 72,000ft.

The EU air traffic department were wrong to tell the airlines that flying above 30k would be safe, and the airlines were wrong to accept it.

I think the main issue was that they didn't know the rebels had SAM that could reach 72k ft, people wrongly preseumed they had weapons that could only hit low flying targets

Tefal · 19 Jul 2014 at 04:06

AndyCroft1982 said:
I think the main issue was that they didn't know the rebels had SAM that could reach 72k ft, people wrongly preseumed they had weapons that could only hit low flying targets

but equally we DID definitely know the Ukrainians had SAM that could go that high and that they have form for shooting down airliners....

Hyburnate · 19 Jul 2014 at 04:12

What gets me is there was a notice to airmen not to fly or was that just up to 32k?

AndyCroft1982 · 19 Jul 2014 at 04:12

Tefal said:
but equally we DID definitely know the Ukrainians had SAM that could go that high and that they have form for shooting down airliners....

When was the last civilian airliner they shot down?