You don't allow military hardware like that to just cross your border. All I'm saying is this shows that Russia is actively working with the rebels, not who supplied it.
Boeing 777 shot down
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You don't allow military hardware like that to just cross your border. All I'm saying is this shows that Russia is actively working with the rebels, not who supplied it.
"oh so those missiles are live then?"
I thought Russia would have tried to give the rebels the cold shoulder to distance themselves, would have been my move anyway. Let the rebels take the hit.
Yes, they're completely incompetent and were probably still drunk when they decided to drive it out.
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They're incapable idiots. Shooting down a civilian plane should be evidence enough of their incompetence. Driving it to the border after a giant ** You must fully star out swearing ** of that magnitude is no stretch of the imagination. Who'd want that kind of irresponsible morons running a country?
If the missile system used is from Ukrainian weapon stocks (and intelligence services would have a pretty good idea already of its origin), everybody will be looking for it. My guess is, it will have mysteriously disappeared.
If the missile system used is from Ukrainian weapon stocks (and intelligence services would have a pretty good idea already of its origin), everybody will be looking for it. My guess is, it will have mysteriously disappeared.
The US navy once did that too, in fact IIRC in Iraq they shot down some of their own helicopters and one of our Tornadoes, hell in Libya they destroyed a group of friendly tanks. It's not like whoever shot down MH17 is any less competent than the US military.
http://news.sky.com/story/1304439/russia-told-rebels-to-hide-mh17s-black-boxes
Looks like the pro-Russia rebels were told to hide the black boxes (not sure if this has been mentioned ?? ). Also did anyone see the article with the rebel conversing about how they shot down a commercial plane (MH17) - intercepted phone call recording
Looks like the pro-Russia rebels were told to hide the black boxes (not sure if this has been mentioned ?? ). Also did anyone see the article with the rebel conversing about how they shot down a commercial plane (MH17) - intercepted phone call recording
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That recording I think is on one of the early pages of this thread!
"Sky News is not able to verify whether the 30 second clip is genuine or who is speaking in it."
Tbh though why would anyone care about hiding the black boxes, IIRC they are housed in the tail of a 777? so as that came off first and 777's doing have missile lock warnings they will have no useful info apart from the fact everything was going fine until data/voice recording stopped...
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Only tinfoil hatters would think Putin actually ordered something as horrible as this. Of course he didn't - nobody would have wanted this, not Putin either.
I'd imagine there are numerous murders where the murderer has done exactly that. Not everyone thinks and acts sensibly and rationally. People do stupid things all the time. Especially when panicing about the best course of action.
It would be a pretty dumb move but then so would standing around the crash side with an AK47 whilst drunk...
syrian rebels only have crap rpg and shoulder mounted AA they can't hit planes people have been flying over warzones since vietnam ffs
You relaise how many countries have the ability to hit a plane at 33,000ft ? it's not that many in the grand scheme of things most warzones only have shoulder fired rockets and crappy AA guns like it's ww2 again
Lol, looks like the Kiev authorities have decided to use this situation to their advantage and launch a fresh assault on the Donetsk People's Republic, tanks/etc rolling in and shells falling in civilian areas. Can't blame them tbh as the separatists can't secure the crash site and their border will all their forces at once so this is a good opportunity for Kiev.
Ironically they have taken a page out of Putin's book, apparently it's not the Ukrainian army advancing, it's "self-organised" pro-Ukrainian groups XD
Ironically they have taken a page out of Putin's book, apparently it's not the Ukrainian army advancing, it's "self-organised" pro-Ukrainian groups XD
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Because crucially it rules out any failure with the aircraft. Yes we are certain it came down with a missile, but this will add further proof, that in this difficult case where blame is being passed around.
I'm sure there is also plenty of other information that can be determined by experts, such as as the exact position it was at and what the true radius is likely to be for debris. Plus whether the pilots had any idea at all, or whether it struck part of the plane before destroying the rest of it etc. Perhaps the missile also shows up on their radar? I don't know much about that, so its just an assumption.