Boeing 777 shot down

ubersonic said:
I'm gonna call shenanigans on this, he says he was misquoted, those close to him say he never said that, and add to the mix that the full report backs that up* and he is actually out of favour with the rebel leader, none of this really screams credible news article.

*He was quoted as sayin that he thought a captured Buk had come under the control of the Luhansk People’s Republic, thats a totally different rebel province to the Donetsk People’s Republic and controlled by a different rebel group.
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The point was the rebel side is chaotic, various leaders have various views, the make online posts, delete them, say something, retract it. I assume they act in the same manner when they issue orders. Allow the inspectors near the crash site, don't allow them. This enviroment is perfect for such a huge mistake to happen.
 
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Zethor said:
The point was the rebel side is chaotic, various leaders have various views.
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This is because the are multiple rebel groups not just rebels, the Luhansk People’s Republic is a totally different rebel province to the Donetsk People’s Republic and controlled by different groups.
 
ubersonic said:
This is because the are multiple rebel groups not just rebels, the Luhansk People’s Republic is a totally different rebel province to the Donetsk People’s Republic and controlled by different groups.
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They're all controlled by the same man, Igor Girkin, who is a retired GRU colonel from Moscow and almost certainly under orders from the Kremlin.
 
scorza said:
They're all controlled by the same man, Igor Girkin, who is a retired GRU colonel from Moscow and almost certainly under orders from the Kremlin.
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Nope, he is the army commander of the Donetsk People’s Republic (and the de fecto leader since Denis Pushilin fled to Russia after the Kiev forces started hitting the DPR hard at the start of the month). The Lugansk People's Republic is a different area controlled by different rebels, they may talk to each other but they are not the same force or commanded by the same people.
 
tbyeah said:
I would have thought they'd have been cancelled beforehand.
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Not something the families would likely think of straight away. Banks are aware though and some gave statements the other day saying they'd cover anything that gets stolen from the cards.
 
scorza said:
This is for all you people who put RT on a par with the UK press: http://rsf.org/index2014/data/carte2014_en.png

Actually quite surprised that we're only "Satisfactory" - wonder why we aren't "Good", bet it's those super-injunctions for the super-rich.
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Freedom of the press isn't really the same as accuracy of the press, just because Murdoch is free to print whatever rubbish he likes doesn't necessarily make that a good thing.
 
freedom of the UK press, UK regime forces The Guardian to destroy Snowden files, As they worked they were watched by GCHQ, ""Because we're a democracy"" :D
 
ubersonic said:
Freedom of the press isn't really the same as accuracy of the press, just because Murdoch is free to print whatever rubbish he likes doesn't necessarily make that a good thing.
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Murdoch doesn't own the entire British press fortunately, the fact that the western media are all pretty much reporting the same thing adds to the credibility of what they're reporting. You can't have any sort of accuracy of the press without freedom of the press, and RT has zero credibility.
 
scorza said:
This is for all you people who put RT on a par with the UK press: http://rsf.org/index2014/data/carte2014_en.png

Actually quite surprised that we're only "Satisfactory" - wonder why we aren't "Good", bet it's those super-injunctions for the super-rich.
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Looks a bit spurious to me. "Good", "Satisfactory", "Difficult" and "Very Serious Situation". Hardly exact, and open to subjectivity.
 
you do realise half the news reports about this crash are taking sources and random hearsay from twitter?


anyone remember when I posted "I bet the rebels will be looting all the bags and bodies?"

the next day the daily mail ran a story saying people were looting... pretty sure someone from the DM is going asround reading popular forums and reddit looking for stories without bothering to check any facts at all.

half the stuff you read will be completely made up rubbish with no factual evidence at all but it sounds good and sells papers
 
Ukranian Prime Minister has resigned :eek:

16.09 BREAKING: Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has announced his resignation following turmoil in government. AP reports:

Yatsenyuk made the announcement from the dais of the parliament after two parties said they would pull out of the governing coalition. "I am announcing my resignation in connect with the collapse of the coalition," Yatsenyuk said.

He said the parliament could no longer do its work and pass necessary laws.

The nationalist Svoboda party and the UDAR movement led by former boxer Vladimir Klitscho pulled out of the group of legislators that took over after former President Viktor Yanukovich was ousted by protesters seeking closer ties with the European Union.
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