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Tombo said:
The Sky reporter made a mistake and stopped after a few seconds when he realised what he was doing.
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He also wrote a pretty good apology here.


And no, there's no chance of this escalating outside the local area. Russian gas sales to Europe means that Putin pretty much owns the West. Not completely, but enough that he doesn't even need to threaten to cut the West off. It's why sanctions are just for show: we need Russia far more than Russia needs the West. Both sides are putting on a performance, and waiting for the next big story to take coverage away. Then it's back to Russian gangsters, sorry, oligarchs, buying up most of London again.
 
ubersonic said:
If you believe Russia it already has, they claim the government forces started randomly shelling rebel areas last week and a number of strikes has missed and gone into Russia.
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This is Russia finding reasons to a) play the victim, and b) intervene directly again. The former is the more important reason. And remember the Zeroth rule of politics: all politics is local politics. These claims are for local consumption, and Russia doesn't care a flying one whether the West believes them or not.
 
Russia / Ukraine
Gaza / Israeli
Iraq
Afghanistan

Etc etc etc

War after war after war

The human race is so sad
 
The Aussies and Dutch sending in special forces seems like a particularly bad idea to me, if one of them gets killed or they kill a separatist it's likely to go to all out war :( Don't they need a UN resolution in order to send foreign troops in?
 
Meridian said:
He also wrote a pretty good apology here.


And no, there's no chance of this escalating outside the local area. Russian gas sales to Europe means that Putin pretty much owns the West. Not completely, but enough that he doesn't even need to threaten to cut the West off. It's why sanctions are just for show: we need Russia far more than Russia needs the West. Both sides are putting on a performance, and waiting for the next big story to take coverage away. Then it's back to Russian gangsters, sorry, oligarchs, buying up most of London again.
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I don't see it quite like that, Russia economy is terribly unbalanced virtually all of it's income comes from oil & gas exports to Europe (and a large portion of that to Germany and Netherlands). In the not so distant future European economies will either producing their gas or importing cheap gas from the US. If Putin is meant to be this cleaver politician that's always two steps ahead of everyone else he would be smart enough not to alienate his key trading partner (the EU who effectively underwrite Russia to the tune of 700 billion $'s a year) and think about the future.

The lights won't just turn off is Russia decides to no longer export it's gas to Europe however the damage to Russia's economy in the medium term would be unthinkable given that their economy is already weaking as it is.

deanolfc said:
Least the ukraine regime didn't kill that reporter dude.

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Graham Phillips must have spent a long time looking in the mirror practicing his serious face so he could at least look convincing when asked to regurgitate Putin's propaganda
 
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koolpc said:
Russia / Ukraine
Gaza / Israeli
Iraq
Afghanistan

Etc etc etc

War after war after war

The human race is so sad
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It has always been so, and always will as long as the people in power make a profit from war. War is extremely profitable if you have stakes in the right places, why do you think the US has been at war somewhere constantly for decades.
 
Even if cracks do appear, would it matter? Putin is the man in charge, probably (secretly) richer than all the oligarchs and he has the power to destroy any of them who hold assets/businesses in Russia (Khodorkovsky being the example) and if they have assets only outside of Russia then he can drop them as they're not doing anything for Russia. I'm sure it would help putting more oligarchs on the list particularly if it's the ones he's friendly with as they'll have his ear but ultimately I think economic sanctions on the banking and O&G sectors will have more effect.

@Freddie: As for "importing cheap gas from the US", if it was cheap don't you think Europe would already be doing it?!
 
Edrof said:
It has always been so, and always will as long as the people in power make a profit from war. War is extremely profitable if you have stakes in the right places, why do you think the US has been at war somewhere constantly for decades.
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Ideology, race and land-disputes have historically been the root cause for conflict.
 
Freddie1980 said:
I don't see it quite like that, Russia economy is terribly unbalanced virtually all of it's income comes from oil & gas exports to Europe (and a large portion of that to Germany and Netherlands). In the not so distant future European economies will either producing their gas or importing cheap gas from the US. If Putin is meant to be this cleaver politician that's always two steps ahead of everyone else he would be smart enough not to alienate his key trading partner (the EU who effectively underwrite Russia to the tune of 700 billion $'s a year) and think about the future.

The lights won't just turn off is Russia decides to no longer export it's gas to Europe however the damage to Russia's economy in the medium term would be unthinkable given that their economy is already weaking as it is.
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Russia's economy is on a knife edge with next to zero growth. The West are however very dependant on Russia's gas. Putin needs to sell it to keep his economy afloat. The West needs to buy it to keep doing Western things. These 'sanctions' on Russia are nothing but smoke and mirrors, the small print reads, 'Sanctions that will not affect other counties'.

It's a mexican stand off across the board. Sanctions that will never do what they need to do as there are resources that are much needed. Enough military might on both sides that needs to be respected.

Fragile times. Seems though Putin holds the kicker.
 
take note that one photo shows shrapnel penetration on a piece of metal from the cockpit windows, that must have been caused by something ahead of the plane, i hope you understand what i mean.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
take note that one photo shows shrapnel penetration on a piece of metal from the cockpit windows, that must have been caused by something ahead of the plane, i hope you understand what i mean.
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Isn't that generally how a missile works - it explodes in close proximity rather than physically hits the target entirely.
 
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