Bournemouth Deaths

ianh said:
Its been a few days and still there's no clear, concise information of what happened from the Police for an incident that that required someone to be arrested on suspicion of manslaughter with a boat seized, when a victims dad only mentioned a rip tide being involved (a natural occurrence, like a lightning strike etc) and yet the Police WILL confirm a few negatives (Not a jump from a pier, Not a boat collision etc).

Why on earth the police have decided to have such a seemingly unnecessary "close-hold" of info over this is baffling to me, it's just driving people into the arms of random conspiracy theories.
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It's weird because the boat has been seized, yet the 40 year old arrested for suspiscion of manslaughter was apparently in the water, so how could the boat be related if he wasn't on the boat, I guess they're all possibly unrelated things that happened at the same time and it's just coincidence
 
Is this story going to turn out like the drunk woman who went in the river? Strange how some stories gain traction in the press and social media.
Every year people, including kids, die in rivers, lakes, lochs, and the sea, sad though that is, most of them hardly get a mention.
 
ianh said:
To be pedantic for both of us - Incident happened on Wednesday, it's now Friday, thats "a few days" but it's also less than 48hrs since the exact time of the incident until the time I posted - so we're both correct - are you happy or do we want to waste more foirum space/time with worthless pedantic crap?
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I think it's a relevant point to make when someone is having a pop at the police and making it sound like they've had all the time in the world to figure everything out, when in reality they've not even had 2 days to properly investigate what went on, having spent Wednesday evening actually dealing with the incident.
 
Richie said:
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Not true for everyone in the UK (Scotland for example) but that's just pedantry now :p
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I don't know that much about Scottish criminal law but their standard for arresting someone seems to be rather similar to the rest of of the UK, namely that most arrests where the police are investigating a matter (so excluding thoose were someone is wanted for something like a fail to appear warrant or similar) and done on the basis that someone is 'suspected' of commiting an offence.

To arrest you the police need reasonable grounds to suspect you're involved in a crime.

The police can arrest you because:

  • you're suspected of committing a crime, and the police want to question you about it
  • they have enough evidence to charge you with the crime
  • they have an arrest warrant – for example because you didn't show up to court or you broke your community sentence conditions
  • you broke conditions of a civil interdict (a court order that stops you doing certain things) with a power to arrest
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www.mygov.scot

Being arrested: your rights

Includes powers of arrest, rights in custody, legal advice at the police station, young people and vulnerable adults.
www.mygov.scot www.mygov.scot
 
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Chris Wilson said:
The police don't have a recent exemplary record of investigating potential deaths by drowning, maybe keeping schtum is their current MO? Maybe they like being beside the seaside in this balmy weather and intend to pan it out as long as the weather holds?
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The police had a great MO it's just the knuckle draggers who frothed up social media that created the issue.
 
What on earth is going on with this case and the arrest made?

I’d there was no contact then it was just some teenagers jumping off where they shouldn’t and getting sucked into a current, which is why I wouldn’t jump in there.

So much has been ruled out by the police at this point you have to wonder what actually happened.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
What on earth is going on with this case and the arrest made?

I’d there was no contact then it was just some teenagers jumping off where they shouldn’t and getting sucked into a current, which is why I wouldn’t jump in there.

So much has been ruled out by the police at this point you have to wonder what actually happened.
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There are speed restrictions in areas and the wake and waves from a vessel could cause others to go into distress especially if they are close to a structure e.g pier foundations.
 
Survivor Lauren Tate, 18, one of eight others who were injured, was treated in hospital and is now continuing to recover at home, after a rip tide took her and her friends out to sea when they were swimming by the pier, according to her father.

In response to the intense speculation that has surrounded the incident, her father told MailOnline: “We’ve seen all the stuff about boats and jet skis but it wasn’t like that. She was swimming in the sea with her friends when the rip tide took them out.
 
Rroff said:
Edited my post as information was posted a few minutes ago saying a vessel has been searched and there are comments elsewhere about large wash from a vessel.

www.independent.co.uk

Pleasure boat searched as girl, 12, and boy, 17, die in beach mystery

Dorset Belle searched by police after 10 swimmers pulled from sesa at Bournemouth beach
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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So this is the vessel, looks a bit big and slow to be banana boat related.

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There's some footage on twitter showing nothing of the incident but just showing the vessel close to the beach.

Then there is this comment in the press:

SexyGreyFox said:
In response to the intense speculation that has surrounded the incident, her father told MailOnline: “We’ve seen all the stuff about boats and jet skis but it wasn’t like that. She was swimming in the sea with her friends when the rip tide took them out.
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Which doesn't really clarify anything as we also know someone has been arrested re: "manslaughter" in relation to being "on the water" at the time.

So did the boat hit some people? (How were the "critical injuries" sustained?) Or was it too close and somehow suspected of causing some additional issues for some swimmers already in distress due to the rip tide? Like did the wake push a couple of them into the pier or something?
 
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I would have thought being drowned would be a critical injury given you're basically dead as the Dr who helped give CPR on the beach said there were no physical injuries

Some more about the boat

www.dorset.live

Boat passengers looked on at empty beach as tragedy unfolded

Passengers onboard Dorset Belle looked on at 'empty' Bournemouth beach as tragedy unfolded
www.dorset.live www.dorset.live

Doesn't answer any questions though but more talk about riptides

Also I realise "on the water" is very different to "in the water" so perhaps it was the boat skipper as by being in the boat, he is technically "on the water"
 
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It's absolute speculation - but the only real explanation I can think of for the arrest if the vessel he was piloting didn't cause the issue is - did a passenger see people in trouble and ask him to come about to help, and he refused?
 
bazzabear said:
It's absolute speculation - but the only real explanation I can think of for the arrest if the vessel he was piloting didn't cause the issue is - did a passenger see people in trouble and ask him to come about to help, and he refused?
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Maybe, I guess as it is such a serious incident then even the slightest connection or negligence involving the boat might lead to an arrest and interview under caution even if to just eliminate that from the investigation.

It's certainly not the only explanation I could think of though, being hit by the boat would be a much more obvious one for a start (though that seems to have been denied in the press releases) secondary to that the boat being too close to the swimmers and the wake from the boat perhaps causing additional difficulty/sweeping over them when they're already caught in a rip tide might have been a reason too.
 
Kenai said:
I think it's a relevant point to make when someone is having a pop at the police and making it sound like they've had all the time in the world to figure everything out, when in reality they've not even had 2 days to properly investigate what went on, having spent Wednesday evening actually dealing with the incident.
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A very simple "this is WHY we've arrested someone for suspicion of manslaughter during what seems to be a natural event" is a very quick and simple statement to give.

No-one is questioning the response of the Police regarding this being a rip-tide incident and that sadly people died because of it. Instead people are questioning the response of the Police to arrest someone within an hour of the event for manslaughter (a massive accusation there) and then not give any more information into "why" they arrested the person over an event which so far looks to be an just a natural event, and its this lack of communication which is yet again creating more and more questions and the Police saying "don't speculate on SM" is exactly the wrong response as it encourages nothing but MORE speculation and wild guesses.

All this simply goes away when the Police, for example, say "we arrested someone as there was a suspicion that the boat they piloted didn't stop to help the swimmers and we're currently investigating that" (or similar with the real reason) - a simple one line statement like that (with the correct reason) clears up most questions straight away and all the pressure from the public just starts to fade away really quickly.
 
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