Boy removed from school in transgender rights row

Canadian professor Jordan Peterson is right...




Scratch a social justice warrior (the same is true for an eco-warrior as well) and you'll find a Marxist underneath or at least someone indoctrinated in cultural Marxism as the result of 50+ years of academic Marxism. The ultimate aims of these movements are not to 'protect' minorities it’s to undermine what we know to be self-evident truths and to ram rod an ideology into society that humans are just pieces of malleable clay, each as inherently capable as the other and we only see differences of outcome based on oppressive socially constructed 'systems' be their patriarchy, cis normativity, 'white' privilege etc.


It is from the Marxist belief that equality of outcome is both an achievable and desirable outcome that such nonsense stems. Marxism in its earlier days was of course devoted to social and economic equality... the attempts of which to implement were of course unmitigated disasters as humans are not inherently equal. Hence coercion and force must always be a part of a Marxist system to try and achieve the desired equality of outcome. Of course, these attempts at Marxist philosophy also created systems of mass mediocracy where the potentially most productive members of society had no incentive to push themselves to innovate.


As Yaron Brooks puts it in a society with Lebron James’ or Michael Jordan’s in it you don’t make everyone ‘equal’ by pulling everyone up to their standard. No, you have to drag them down towards the mediocracy



Having failed so spectacularly as an economic system Marxism, in part, morphed into a different movement, a ‘social justice’ movement in the 1960’s (Marx does not appear to have anticipated this an may well not have agreed with it if he had lived in the era but it’s based on the core of his ideals) . Primarily in the USA to start with. It is for this reason that we should not be at all surprised of the confluence of political Marxism with social justice movements since the 60’s… for example


* Second wave (onwards) feminism

* The Black Panthers an activist from whom was the leader of the US communist party

* Black Lives Matter “we have nothing to lose but our chains" a popularisation of a slogan lifted straight from the communist manifesto


And of course, LGBT activism


LGBT oppression, like women’s oppression, is tied to the centrality of the nuclear family as one of capitalism’s means to both inculcate gender norms and outsource care for the current and future generations of workers at little cost to the state.”


Yes you read that right these people think that a man and a woman living together raising a few kids is Capitalisms way of oppressing women and LGBT people!


They don’t want society to accommodate ‘diversity’ they wish to smash (Western) society and drag everyone down to the lowest level….


Socialism was correctly described by Winston Churchill as being “the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy



So, what’s the answer to all this in the context of this situation? It’s simple and doesn’t require any person being “oppressed” …


Children (at least until secondary school) can attend school in practical ‘gender neutral’ clothing. Sensible shoes, trousers and a shirt/ school T-Shirt. Stop fetishizing having children express their ‘gender identity’ at school no doubt aided and abetted by ‘progressive’ parents. Let kids be kids without adult politics and when they have sexual education by all means include input on sexuality and gender expression.


But let’s not drop objective reality, don’t be confused by the claims made by the advocates…. intersex and trans gender people are not the same thing. A biological man who identifies as a woman (or vice versa) is free in my mind to have the legal right to express their identity and unless there is good reason to prevent it should have that identity legally protected.


But a trans woman is not a biological woman (and vice versa) and as such, where a legitimate difference exists in the treatment by society of the sexes and particularly in the case of trans women they should not be regarded in the same category as women.


Competitive sports are a classical example of this
 
lol wut - angiosperms gunna riot at this.
Come on, you know what I mean. They have clearly defined male and female parts. Show me the 3rd option that isn't a damaged/mutated/incorrectly developed organ(ism).

Show me this "valid" 3rd sex that is fine as it is.

Show me the person who isn't a man/woman, who we would be happy for our children to end up like. Would you want a child of yours to be intersex if you had a choice? You might still love them, but it isn't what you'd want.

Because deep down we know that if everything develops as it should do, you end up being a man or a woman. Those are the best outcomes. Anything else is a **** up, honestly. In the cold, cold light of day.
 
Surely you're not giving me an F? :p :(
I'm sure you're being silly, not you, FoxEye! :p

I was being pedantic though. Human females aren't growing penises and human males aren't suddenly developing vaginas naturally. We can't let that sort of post slide without correction, though. :p
 
Come on, you know what I mean. They have clearly defined male and female parts. Show me the 3rd option that isn't a damaged/mutated/incorrectly developed organ(ism).

Show me this "valid" 3rd sex that is fine as it is.

Show me the person who isn't a man/woman, who we would be happy for our children to end up like. Would you want a child of yours to be intersex if you had a choice? You might still love them, but it isn't what you'd want.

Because deep down we know that if everything develops as it should do, you end up being a man or a woman. Those are the best outcomes. Anything else is a **** up, honestly. In the cold, cold light of day.
Once again, I feel compelled to point out that sex and gender are not the same thing.
 
I must admit though, whenever gender is mentioned, I'm now confused as to which of the 179 different types I'm meant to address someone as. :)

A lot of this recent BS has clouded the real issues. I can completely sympathise with gender dysphoria as I have first hand experience with TG people. I absolutely detest some of the nonsense I see you Youtube these days, though. "I want to be special so I want my own unique label". It's very irritating and isn't helpful in the least when it comes to building bridges with the less tolerant.
 
I must admit though, whenever gender is mentioned, I'm now confused as to which of the 179 different types I'm meant to address someone as. :)

A lot of this recent BS has clouded the real issues. I can completely sympathise with gender dysphoria as I have first hand experience with TG people. I absolutely detest some of the nonsense I see you Youtube these days, though. "I want to be special so I want my own unique label". It's very irritating and isn't helpful in the least when it comes to building bridges with the less tolerant.
Some people have rather overcomplicated it.
 
Come on, you know what I mean. They have clearly defined male and female parts. Show me the 3rd option that isn't a damaged/mutated/incorrectly developed organ(ism).
I'm just busting your balls as referring to plants was just about the worst thing you could have possibly referred to - IIRC about 90% of plant species are angiosperms and about 90% of those are simultaneously male and female :p
 
I'm just busting your balls as referring to plants was just about the worst thing you could have possibly referred to - IIRC about 90% of plant species are angiosperms and about 90% of those are simultaneously male and female :p
Right. They get working male and female organs. One clearly male (and working), the other clearly female (and working).

In intersex humans, you don't get working sets of both. Apparently working ovaries are more common than working testes (when you shouldn't have them, that is). But you absolutely don't get to have working ovaries, testes and a womb. (And for those that transition... well, you pretty much end up with nothing that actually works... :/)

Which very much suggests this isn't a valid/expected configuration for a human being... but a failing in development to get a working set of sex organs matching your birth sex.

If somebody ends up with a stump instead of an arm, we don't then say "This a valid, but different arrangement of limbs, consistent with our expectations for a human being". We say, "I'm so sorry for you :("

Saying we need more sex categories because there are more than two sexes is a bit nuts. There are two sexes and there are cases where your development got messed up somehow. "Man with womb" would appear to be one such developmental accident.
 
We're in a thread all about gender and you're posting about sex. Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm not sure how that's relevant, unless the discussion has wandered off into the wilderness since this afternoon.

I guess that came from the video. Not quite sure an opening line of 'there is no such thing as biological sex' does much to convince your audience you know what you are talking about.
 
I get confused when these debates go on for a while.

One minute there is no such thing as biological sex, gender is on a spectrum, I want to be known as he/she/ze/ apache helicopter, etc.

Well if you fundamentally believe there is no such thing as sex, why go through the hassle of transgendering?

It's all getting a bit silly.

Also, back to the video, I don't understand how trans people are in 'danger'?
 
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