Brazilian Grand Prix 2011, Interlagos Circuit - Race 19/19
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ARE all the fans loving it? I wouldnt say so automatically , until he is able to dominate with a more average car, and REALLY prove his worth
He is undoubtedly a great driver, but I dont think how ever many WDC wins in the best car in the field (by miles) will ever get him completetly accepted
Would it work commercially? They both NEED to believe they are dominating their team mate, and if they arent they wont be happy .......which means the team doesnt work
Commercially the team wouldnt get the sum of the parts (imo)
They would both have to join the same team at the same time - otherwise the other just wouldnt agree to join (and LH would have to win another WDC before Vettel does otherwise I cant see LH even starting talks if he knows SV may be/will be his team mate)
(It doesnt really matter, it has to be said, because its not likely to happen for a number of years)
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Id say quite a large majority of fans love Rossi...
I gather you missed that part
ps3ud0
In the end you may be right - but currently that looks years away, so lets have a look in your crystal ball fro tomorrow's lottery numbers
Soldato
He didn't have the best car in 2007 or 2008. The fact that McLaren hasn't won a WCC in over a decade proves this. He's never had the best car. He's forever moaning that McLaren's never have a good rear end. He only shut up about that when the EBD came to his car this year.
And that, the EBD, I believe is one of the biggest factors in all this. It lends itself to produce a understeering car, especially with the skinnier front tyres that were introduced in 2010. With it gone next year, the only big variable left that has changed is the tyres. And he won 3 races this year on them so it can't be that. It's got to be some sort of setup/driving issue which adds weight to the EBD theory.
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Red Bull would probably manage them fine, they are not McLaren
Well actually they did a **** poor job last year when webber was an 'equal'. This year they pretty obviously never had a problem because there is no way in hell webbers contract has as much freedom as last years.
Yet for 2 years mclaren have done a very good job with Lewis and Jenson.
Vettel won Monza in a Toro Rosso. Yes it was raining, but he still beat proven WDC's with much faster cars. It was also a win on raw speed, not chance or fluke caused by the conditions.
He can definitely do the business in a less than perfect car. Its just for the last couple of years, he hasn't needed too.
McLaren would have won the WCC in 2007 if it wasn't for Spy-gate getting them thrown out of the constructors championship.
I thought the same but apparently Ferrari beat McLarens disqualified total (by a point) in that season, nevertheless though not having that up for grabs probably wasnt a great motivator in ensuring good finishing positions for both drivers.
ps3ud0
Ferrari 204 (110 + 94)
McLaren 218 (109+109)
They were docked the 15 points they got from Hungary after Alonso played silly beggers during Qualifying. McLaren could have appealed, but didn't as they were set to loose all their points anyway. Assuming the penalty was overturned they would have won (it would have been overturned, the only affect was to McLaren themselves).
The team even got a replica of the WCC trophy made and presented it to Ron Denis.
McLaren 218 (109+109)
They were docked the 15 points they got from Hungary after Alonso played silly beggers during Qualifying. McLaren could have appealed, but didn't as they were set to loose all their points anyway. Assuming the penalty was overturned they would have won (it would have been overturned, the only affect was to McLaren themselves).
The team even got a replica of the WCC trophy made and presented it to Ron Denis.
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Its a shame they didn't appeal it. It was a proper WTF penalty. McLaren (well, Alonso) did something that hindered McLaren, and McLaren alone... and the FIA decided they needed a penalty?!? Yet the driver who caused it all got no penalty...
It made no sense.
It made no sense.
Soldato
I stopped reading there...He never used to have to look after tires or fuel(untill the new rules).
Did you forget that they used Bridgestones tires and would last most of a race?
so that meant Lewis(same as Alonso) could push a car to the edge and beyond.
Now it's not about racing anymore it's about looking after tires. So when Lewis and Alonso get a crap car they can't push it like they used to.
Pirelli tires= Look After your tires after lap 3
BridgeStone= GO GO GO
Lewis and Alonso are the two best racing drivers on the grid.
Soldato
I do hate these tires tbh. I'm sick of the drivers interviews being all about how they were having to look after tyres from lap 5, tires tires tires. Been driving me nuts all year.
Im sorry I think I missed a comma somewhere or the stressed intonation - I meant the same as your inference that LH cant be as quick without tyre/fuel mangement being a concern...
Rest of my post was epic - recommended reading
ps3ud0
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Soldato
It does not matter if you gave them 100 tires they still got to pit so it works out the same.
where as Bridgestone you could go flat out and know you was ok.
But please show me a epic overtake on these new tires and I will show you 1000s more on Bridgestone wet and dry conditions.
Indycar went the same way with fuel limits and now no one watches as it's boring, F1 is going the same way.
edit=2007-2008-2009-2010 was awesome seasons..now ..well...BORING
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