Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20
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Its lap 1, there isn't a dry line.
Grab a screen shot from a second before that to see just how far back and off line Senna came from.
Fed up with the "Vettel investigations". He won. Twas a tall order for Fernando to fulfil and he did the best he could.
Who I really feel sorry for is Massa.
He drove the perfect "Team-race" and knew that he would have finished at least 2nd.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that had he not been ordered to "drive down" to stay behind Alonso, for all we know he could have challenged Jenson ?
Yes I know he was 20 odd seconds down the road but had Massa been unleashed he may well not have been that far back.
I think that's why PM was so choked up on the podium.
Who I really feel sorry for is Massa.
He drove the perfect "Team-race" and knew that he would have finished at least 2nd.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that had he not been ordered to "drive down" to stay behind Alonso, for all we know he could have challenged Jenson ?
Yes I know he was 20 odd seconds down the road but had Massa been unleashed he may well not have been that far back.
I think that's why PM was so choked up on the podium.
Massa has out qualified and out raced Alonso a number of times in the latter half of this season. I really hope he takes that through to next year as the only way he's going to get Ferrari to back him for a title bid is if he out performs Alonso right from the start of the season.
If that happens, pigs will start flying, hell will freeze over and taxation will be abolished, all in the same year.
Best driver in F1, out performed by Massa?
Agreed can't see it but Massa is a lot closer now but it's a bit skewed as they are often running different cars as Ferrari even up to Brazil had no idea what was working and not LOL
Massa on form and happy with the car will give Nando a good challenge and even beat him now and then but overall I would expect Alonso to win out over a season.
He has. I agree.
But for every time Massa outperforms Alonso, Alonso outperforms Massa 3 times. Massa is a decent driver, but he won't ever wear the mantle of "best driver in F1", which Alonso currently holds.
Not sure where you are getting 'swiped across from' He was ahead of that Force India all the way down and he was always going to make the turn. That overhead angle actually makes it look worse, you watch the clip after from Vettel's car he isn't too different from Alonso's line until closer to the apex of the corner where he indeed does cut a bit more. However looking at that aerial view it also looks like there was room the other side of Senna (look at Hulk infront and some of the others behind) who run either on the white line or two wheels on the curb itself so there was some room to manouvere.
The reason for going out slightly wider (again as Alonso does) and then coming in on the corner is to get maximum traction through and out the turn.
It still should have been investigated. IMO it would have been classed as a lap 1 racing incident and that is that.
He just needs to do it at the right time. Its no good being faster than Alonso for the final third of a year when all Ferrari's eggs are already in the Alonso basket. I hope next year starts off well for him. With Hamilton pretty much written off next year we need another driver or 2 to take the fight to Vettel and Alonso.
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Well, this is my first chance to post since the race. I must say, that was one of my favourite races in a while, Brazil sure does deliver.
Can't believe how lucky Vettel was with his car - regardless, he drove very well yesterday. 4th WDC seems easily within his reach.
Can't believe how lucky Vettel was with his car - regardless, he drove very well yesterday. 4th WDC seems easily within his reach.
That's what I thought as well. Lol at the screenshot.
Yes there is. Watch the footage from about 0:50. There is a VERY clear dry line in the corner. Both drivers were off it.
Fist corner in the middle of a pack of cars, no one owns the corner, end of.
Senna lunged up the inside as he saw a gap, just like a typical in experienced driver does (exactly like Roman and Pastor have done through out the season).
At the same time Vettle came across to make the apex of the turn to shut the door as any driver would do.
Racing incident like others have said, the start was messy. Hell the entire race was a complete mess until the last 9 or 10 laps.
Senna lunged up the inside as he saw a gap, just like a typical in experienced driver does (exactly like Roman and Pastor have done through out the season).
At the same time Vettle came across to make the apex of the turn to shut the door as any driver would do.
Racing incident like others have said, the start was messy. Hell the entire race was a complete mess until the last 9 or 10 laps.
This. It's fine discussing the details but everyone needs to conclude that the first corner of the first lap is anyone's. In the senna vettel incident they were both to blame. Nothing more to it, end of story.
Absolutely not. Wouldn't that be like backing Liverpool to win the prem next year if they have a better start over Utd. Both are past champions but regardless Alonso is #1 massa is not.