Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20

jaybee said:
So:

"The section of the track through which Vettel made his move for position on the Sauber was not accessible for marshalls to work at, and so their role had been taken by the electronic illuminated boards which showed as a block of steady yellow on the TV video replays."

So what is this saying?

1: That the boards should have been yellow and red but were yellow by mistake?

2: The boards were yellow steady deliberately which is the same as red and yellow flags?

3: The boards were in fact yellow and red but on board footage does not display it clearly/properly with that camera so they look steady yellow?

I'm only asking out of interest and do not have it in for Vettel unecessarily. I just think with F1, there are rules which are strictly followed so I like to see consistency. For me at the moment it looks to my eyes like he overtook on yellows so I do not understand.

He still would have been top ten anyway had he been given a penalty no?

I think the main issue is the first lap incident that was not even investigated.
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The FIA have confirmed that that corner was not a yellow flag zone. Yellow flags are shown by a flashing yellow light. That was a solid one. While it looks yellow the FIA say it was red and yellow striped, which fits with my initial thought that it looked orange.

Regardless, the FIA have confirmed it was not a yellow flag and not a yellow flag zone. Case closed.
 
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Skeeter said:
The FIA have confirmed that that corner was not a yellow flag zone. Yellow flags are shown by a flashing yellow light. That was a solid one. While it looks yellow the FIA say it was red and yellow striped, which fits with my initial thought that it looked orange.

Regardless, the FIA have confirmed it was not a yellow flag and not a yellow flag zone. Case closed.
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In this day and age with the technology that F1 has and the money, they cannot display an LED lit panel with red and yellow lines next to each other clearly? :) okaaay. Caused a lot of confusion anyway.

The thing is, this would be the exact same if Alonso had won it - the enquiries etc. Fans just want it to be fair. If something gets brought into the open like this it will obviously be debated. There is nothing wrong with discussing it on a forum. I think there are some in this thread that are waaay OTT.
 
jaybee said:
In this day and age with the technology that F1 has and the money, they cannot display an LED lit panel with red and yellow lines next to each other clearly? :) okaaay. Caused a lot of confusion anyway.

The thing is, this would be the exact same if Alonso had won it - the enquiries etc. Fans just want it to be fair. If something gets brought into the open like this it will obviously be debated. There is nothing wrong with discussing it on a forum. I think there are some in this thread that are waaay OTT.
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The fact its solid and not flashing is the main difference though. And that's clearly visible. This thread is nothing compared to the abuse on the Sky website or the comedy gold that is YouTube comments.
 
jaybee said:
In this day and age with the technology that F1 has and the money, they cannot display an LED lit panel with red and yellow lines next to each other clearly? :) okaaay. Caused a lot of confusion anyway.

The thing is, this would be the exact same if Alonso had won it - the enquiries etc. Fans just want it to be fair. If something gets brought into the open like this it will obviously be debated. There is nothing wrong with discussing it on a forum. I think there are some in this thread that are waaay OTT.
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I was sceptical at first, but when watching some of post race footage there was a shot in the pitlane with one of the LED boards visible. On a static shot it was clearly a yellow/red slippery surface flag. I suspect that the onboard shots, with the speed/resolution/vibration the colours blurred into one making it look yellow.
 
Can we now all at least agree the move was legal.

Passing solid lights, whatever colour they actually were (yellow, orange, red and yellow), should have avoided any confusion. Only if they were flashing would there have been an issue.

At the time I thought it was suspicious, but only after I realised from the replay they were static did I know it was OK.

I think some of the blame for the confusion should lie at the commentators door, as they didn't know the rules even with ex-drivers and pundits present.
 
jaybee said:
The thing is, this would be the exact same if Alonso had won it - the enquiries etc. Fans just want it to be fair. If something gets brought into the open like this it will obviously be debated. There is nothing wrong with discussing it on a forum. I think there are some in this thread that are waaay OTT.
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I completely agree, discussion is good and why we post right?

However sometimes in these F1 threads trying to have a sensible discussion can be a complete waste of time and usually why I don't bother. I'm not talking just about this particular one, it happens nearly every race.
 
Nismo said:
I think some of the blame for the confusion should lie at the commentators door, as they didn't know the rules even with ex-drivers and pundits present.
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Agreed. Sky bashed on about it all race and then McNish, an FIA steward, did a whole piece about it but still failed to notice he had flashing and solid lights in the same video.

A lot of missunderstandings or confusions are caused by the commentators and press getting things wrong.
 
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JeditOjanen said:
You mean Senna's attempt to secure the 2013 Ferrari reserve driver slot, of course.
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Nonsense. Senna had the racing line, Vettel was massively wide on the corner (>1 car width). At best it was a racing incident, at worst it was Vettel's fault. Neither driver was on the dry line, but Senna was on the inside, it was his corner.

0:50 for aerial replay of the incident.
 
Theophany said:

Nonsense. Senna had the racing line, Vettel was massively wide on the corner (>1 car width). At best it was a racing incident, at worst it was Vettel's fault.

0:50 for aerial replay of the incident.
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Out and out racing incident.
 
It's very controversial because although it has been known that Lap 1 incidents are generally less likely to be punished due to the tight pack, there have been circumstances whereby people have been punished. Look at Grosjean when he caused the accident at Spa. He was punished hard was he not? Yes this was a nastier accident, but the principal is the same; a racing driver causing an avoidable accident.
 
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