Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20

Why did Vettel turn in so aggressively? A second or so before he's pointing towards the front, then in one move he swipes across one car before hitting another.

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Yep, instead of going round the corner he aims his car at the apex across two vehicles. No one but himself to blame.

I am amazed at whoever it was blaming Hamilton though. The corner would have been fine if Hulkenburg hasn't gone into the corner with so much speed. The was more of a suicide dive inside than Senna's move.
 
Someone posted a stat a race or two ago of how many point's lewis lost this year and it was far more than Button. Anyone remember where that post was or who made it?

Mclaren are going to have to build a car with 7/10ths on anyone next year to get a shot at the title. I just don't think with Whitmarsh at the helm they have that in them. Whitmarsh should be gone, a genuine title contender with both drivers doing little wrong and they stuffed it.

I do feel the FIA need to make a statement to stop stuff like Schumacher yielding, this isn't a International competition where you move over because of a fellow German you like. I'm sure people would have been upset had Renault decided to move Petrov and Kubica out the way in Abu Dhabi in 2010 to help out their old 'mate'. Although I'm damn sure that would have happened had Flav still been in charge ;)


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Although the nature of F1 makes it impossible to quantify exactly how many points have been squandered through car failures and team mistakes, the below list of examples and considered estimations on likely finishing positions and points losses nonetheless serves as an illustration of how Hamilton’s overall points tally has been severely compromised:

China – Qualifies second but started seventh due to gearbox change penalty. Finishes third. Estimated points loss: three

Bahrain – Running third but following two slow pit stops ends up eighth. Estimated points loss: Eight to ten

Spain – Qualifies on pole but demoted to back of the grid for McLaren fuel infringement. Finishes eighth. Estimated points loss: 21

Monaco – Running third but suffers slow pit stop and loses positions to first Alonso, who stops a lap later, and the even later-stopping Vettel. Finishes fifth. Estimated points loss: Two to five

Europe – Slow pit stop when running third drops him to sixth and behind ultimate race winner Alonso. Spun out on final lap from third after collision with Pastor Maldonado while struggling with tyre wear. Estimated points loss: 15 (based on likely position ahead of Maldonado in closing stages without pit-stop delay)

Singapore – Running first when gearbox fails. Result: DNF. Estimated points loss: 25

Korea – Rear anti-roll bar failure early in race plays havoc with tyre wear. Drops down order from fourth. Result: 10th. Estimated points loss: 11

Abu Dhabi – Leading the race by three seconds when fuel pressure problem grounds car to a halt. Result: DNF. Estimated points loss: 25

Estimated total of lost points: 110 points

Hamilton’s Japanese GP weekend was also hampered by rear suspension problems, although the result he would have achieved with a fully-functioning car is hard to quantity so is left out of the sample. He also had a further DNF in Germany due to puncture damage.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/...nd-the-title-slipped-away-for-lewis-hamilton/

That's pretty comprehensive. It also mentions the 2 roll bar problems that stuffed his title hopes conclusively (Korea and Japan), that smr didn't take on board when comparing with Button.
 
Also doesnt include the 18 or 25 points he would have got from Brazil.

But then Vettel lost 25 points in Valencia and a good haul in Monza, so it would have still been close. He had Button covered easy though.
 
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I would be willing to bet that if you asked any team principal who they would rather have, Hamilton or Button, they would all choose Hamilton.
 
That's pretty comprehensive. It also mentions the 2 roll bar problems that stuffed his title hopes conclusively (Korea and Japan), that smr didn't take on board when comparing with Button.

Ah yeah that is pretty much the post Danny wanted. Feel for LH, such a shame, could have ended up a very different season for everyone. That's F1 eh :)
 
Ah yeah that is pretty much the post Danny wanted. Feel for LH, such a shame, could have ended up a very different season for everyone. That's F1 eh :)

Ah yeah that's the kind of thing I was looking for. He knocked Button out of the park this year. I've always preferred Jenson but only the most blinkered of fan could not see that and that's not taking into account the points Button gained from Hamilton going out in front of him.

Mclaren I say again, should have paid Hamilton almost whatever he wanted. Button will still win races at Mclaren. When everything lines up perfectly he will be almost unbeatable, shame that's 3 races if he's lucky with reliability.

I feel a 1995 season is coming ;)
 
I am still astonished that vettel didn't retire and his car had no damage that affected his ability to continue the race. Quite unbelievable.

Someone has only got to sneeze on Hamilton's car and it falls apart.
 
If Massa wins the first couple of races next year, Ferrari would have to back him for the title, surely?

After 2 races?
Really?
Against the best driver in the World?

If Alonso was a new driver, then you could be right (even though, 2 races is too soon). However, when you are writing of the chances of the driver who is widely regarded as the best in the World, after 2 races, you probably know little about F1.

The same would go for Vettel and Hamilton.
 
Mclaren I say again, should have paid Hamilton almost whatever he wanted. Button will still win races at Mclaren. When everything lines up perfectly he will be almost unbeatable, shame that's 3 races if he's lucky with reliability.

McLaren went on record as saying that they were going to make Hamilton the highest paid driver in F1, in 2013. So, they did offer him (possibly), the biggest salary in F1, ever.

It wasn't enough.

Hamilton wants to move on and perhaps build a team around him. He NEEDS to be the darling of the team*, to perform at his best and perhaps he realises this and will attempt to make this happen in Merc.

*Alonso has this arrangement at Ferrari. Vettel has this arrangement at RBR. MSc had this arrangement at Ferrari.
 
That's pretty comprehensive. It also mentions the 2 roll bar problems that stuffed his title hopes conclusively (Korea and Japan), that smr didn't take on board when comparing with Button.

On top of the ones mentioned by you guys that have been missed from the list it doesnt include Spa. Granted he probably wouldnt have made many points from spa but every little counts (if he finished where he started it would have been 4 points)
 
McLaren went on record as saying that they were going to make Hamilton the highest paid driver in F1, in 2013. So, they did offer him (possibly), the biggest salary in F1, ever.

It wasn't enough.

Hamilton wants to move on and perhaps build a team around him. He NEEDS to be the darling of the team*, to perform at his best and perhaps he realises this and will attempt to make this happen in Merc.

*Alonso has this arrangement at Ferrari. Vettel has this arrangement at RBR. MSc had this arrangement at Ferrari.

And he still would have had that if he stayed at mclaren wouldn't he? Mclaren certainly have a lot of "building" to do by the looks of things :p
 
OK maybe more than a couple of races, but if Massa builds a lead on Alonso are Ferrari really going to rein him in just because "its Alonso"?

What would Massa have to do to get to the point where Ferrari back him? Personally if he starts next season like he has finished this one (had he been allowed to race) I think that should be enough?
 
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