Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19

Rate the 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix out of ten

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Does anyone know how many passes there were in the sprint race after the first couple of corners if you took Hamilton out of the equation. Think it would have been quite a boring weekend if he wasn't starting at the back.
 
englishpremier said:
You could say less tactical stupidity and Alonso would have won. So that goes both ways.
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Perhaps, but the failure to bring his car on clearly wrecked tyres in earlier in a race where he didn't even need to win it anyway still sticks in my mind as one of the worst tactical blunders I've ever seen in F1.

Jacques Villeneuve is one I can remember immediately coming into the fastest car on the grid. Pole in his first race, and challenged for the championship. Mechanical failures and retirements cost him that season in 1996. He won in 1997, though should have wrapped the title up sooner. Then in 98 the Williams had non-works engines so was nowhere.
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I'm not sure I agree that retirements cost him the season, since he had no more than Hill, but - yeah - Jacques had a brilliant entry to F1.
 
fez said:
And to those saying Verstappen lacks maturity or has a lot to learn, he is a product of his environment. Hes like a spoilt child who has never been put back in their box. Hes now at an age where I don't think that will change that much. He gets away with far more than he should be allowed to and that has led to him genuinely believing that when anything happens, its not his fault.

Basically he is a bit of a pillock on the track but at some point hopefully they will come down on him hard and he will realise he can't behave like that. I don't think he will ever believe that he is in the wrong but he will hopefully adjust his behaviour.
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I feel like Max, for his age and position, is a much more mature and level-headed individual than other drivers have been in that same situation. Lewis, until relatively recently (this and probably the previous season) was sulky and emo at just about every race.

The sport hasn't been this interesting in years so I'm all for RB and their questionable style spicing up the season. Nothing against Lewis, but Merc is an incredibly boring team, which is largely a product of the major failings in Ferrari (chaotic management), McLaren (size zero train wreck) and Renault (useless engine).
 
Mesai said:
I feel like Max, for his age and position, is a much more mature and level-headed individual than other drivers have been in that same situation. Lewis, until relatively recently (this and probably the previous season) was sulky and emo at just about every race.

The sport hasn't been this interesting in years so I'm all for RB and their questionable style spicing up the season. Nothing against Lewis, but Merc is an incredibly boring team, which is largely a product of the major failings in Ferrari (chaotic management), McLaren (size zero train wreck) and Renault (useless engine).
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Believe it or not I do too... Max could be the next Lewis if he can reign in his attitude. Race but do it fairly. Know when to fight and when to yield. He definitely has speed but racecraft?
 
GR63 said:
Believe it or not I do too... Max could be the next Lewis if he can reign in his attitude. Race but do it fairly. Know when to fight and when to yield. He definitely has speed but racecraft?
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Max and Mazepin are definitely the 2 most aggressive drivers on the grid, except Max knows exactly what he's doing - not saying it's right, just agreeing that he pushes too hard sometimes. Lewis does a great job of not letting it affect him (Brazil was a great example).

My actual favourite up and coming drivers are the McLaren and Ferrari duos.
 
Mesai said:
Max and Mazepin are definitely the 2 most aggressive drivers on the grid, except Max knows exactly what he's doing - not saying it's right, just agreeing that he pushes too hard sometimes. Lewis does a great job of not letting it affect him (Brazil was a great example).

My actual favourite up and coming drivers are the McLaren and Ferrari duos.
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Agree with ALL you just said. I wouldnt object if F1 was a spec series... would be good to see the drivers with same equipment like in F2.
 
englishpremier said:
Jacques Villeneuve is one I can remember immediately coming into the fastest car on the grid. Pole in his first race, and challenged for the championship. Mechanical failures and retirements cost him that season in 1996. He won in 1997, though should have wrapped the title up sooner. Then in 98 the Williams had non-works engines so was nowhere.
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Wasn't he already an established Indycar racer though? Or am I remembering wrongly?
 
He just didnt turn in as early or as hard as he would have needed to for the speed he was going.... He's not gonna be dumb enough to unwind the steering knowing he is filmed. Guy is a Pro (cheat) ;)

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Think that's the problem with that move, it's not typically aggressive or forced but the advantage was gained by just not even making the corner and taking them both wide knowing he'd be able to then get on the gas and plough on.
 
Can't see what difference it would have made even if the footage had been made available at the time.

If anything to me, it looks like Max was forced into an error by Lewis, came into the corner too hot, and whilst he could likely have braked harder and tried to steer tighter, it probably would have resulted in a lockup/understeer and him running wide anyway
 
Yeah, that's not on is it...

Looks clear to me that he made no effort to actually make the corner, just a token turn in late to force Hamilton wide.

Where is the little front wheel lock? Also no winding in the angle to find the limit, and just a VERY late and heavy application of lock well after the apex.
 
Clearly brakes much later than Lewis (guessing here but probably not as hard to carry more speed) which made him understeer. He then makes sure he's done the business before turning back on to the track.
 
JRS said:
If the positions were reversed y'all wouldn't have wanted Hamilton to take a penalty from that.
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Oh come on. Any time a driver has to force another driver off the track BY GOING OFF HIMSELF, should be a penalty regardless who it is. You could argue that squeezing a driver off track (but remaining on yourself) is ok and I'd probably agree.

I personally don't want to see a retrospective penalty applied here (even if it'd help Merc/Lewis) but he's made no attempt to take that corner properly.
 
bazzabear said:
Wasn't he already an established Indycar racer though? Or am I remembering wrongly?
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Yeah. There haven't been any young guys coming up and going directly into a championship challenger seat. At least not that I can remember. Maybe others have a better memory.

Kimi did a year a sauber. Massa maybe two. Lecerc a year at Sauber and then Ferrari wasn't a great car anyway bar their engine controversy. Max had a year and a bit at Torro Rosso, and then the RB wasn't a championship contender.

Max was involved in a lot of incidents at RB I remember the crastappen website. It led to me think he'd never win a championship if he had a Dani Ric in the same team. He also had incidents with Sainz whilst in the Torro Rosso.
 
You can see he doesn't steer more into the apex as he would normally be able to (i'd want to see the same corner from the lap prior so I can only assume), but you see the fronts have no grip at that speed. Just braking too deep, not enough grip. Both had plenty of room. Just two drivers trying hard into a down-hill off-camber corner giving us an exciting championship. Can we shut up and enjoy it now?
 
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