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Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19
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The footage was never going to show Max turning hard lock right into Hamilton as that's not how these incidents occur. It's about how much he DIDN'T turn left and WHEN he applied said steering. He deliberately took a line to hang Lewis out to dry very aggressively taking him off track. It's fine to do this a bit, giving the opponent room, but if Lewis turned in at any point to attempt to keep it anywhere near being on track, he would be turning into a Redbull car. I can't see how anyone can possibly argue the case for Max here. The onboard footage of Max makes it if anything look less of an event to be honest, which is misleading.
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Rather different outcome, no?
He forced Hamilton off the track which is a penalty offence. I guess the mitigation here is that they both appeared to have gone in too hot and it looks as if Hamilton may have ended up going off track himself had MV made the apex and kept it on the track.
It really isn't too dissimilar to Austria where Lando was given a penalty for forcing Perez off the track.
It really isn't too dissimilar to Austria where Lando was given a penalty for forcing Perez off the track.
Soldato
Max was ahead during and beyond the apex where Hamilton could/should have yielded. The penalty is for causing a collision, which didn't happen on Sunday.
Soldato
Exactly this IMO. Whatever arguements there are in defense of squeezing a driver all became moot as soon as Verstappen failed to make the corner also.
The problem with this is it reads a bit like Max can do anything he wants up until a collision is caused and only then will he get a potential penalty. That makes him high risk to overtake because he is ahead on points and won't care about making contact so long as he does big contact to take both of them out of the race as then a penalty would not hurt him anyway. This is not a fair playing field for other drivers as he can just drive recklessly to encourage contact and defend by completely running people off track. All we want if fairness and consistency. It is not fair to then say Lewis can do the same to Max because we know what would happen if Max was on the outside in that situation. He would turn in or Redbull would cry to the FIA and get Hamilton a penalty. It's basically just geared towards Merc losing out whichever way you look at it.
Verstappen unwilling to yield. Brakes too late cant make the corner. Hamiltons initial turn in showed he was making the corner no problem but no choice to run wide with a car coming at him. Verstappen keeps the place.
How is that not forcing a driver off track and maintaining an advantage.
Another driver and that would have been a crash with red bull blaming the other driver.
How is that not forcing a driver off track and maintaining an advantage.
Another driver and that would have been a crash with red bull blaming the other driver.
Caporegime
Pretty sure Hamilton only went off because his only alternative was a collision.
Indeed. Seems inconsistent to other incidents of forcing off track.
Are you watching the same incident?
Anyone can divebomb a corner and "be ahead" for a split second if they end up going off track to compensate. Hamilton can't disappear. Hamilton was ahead anyway at the point at which he may have turned in had their not been a steaming Redbull straight lining off the track. Hamilton or any driver is entitled to expect other drivers to behave in a manner which promotes fair and hard racing which includes overtaking on the outside or inside of any corner they want. Hamilton did yield anyway. The reason they both did not crash out was due to Hamilton's actions in altering his line to account for Max's hard push wide.
EDIT: There's a point half way through the corner ish where I believe Max could even have still pointed it back to only go a tiny bit off track and still put a hard move on Hamilton, but nope.... just basically decides he's going off track regardless to avoid all possibility of Hamilton getting through.
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Caporegime
If Hamilton was going at a speed that would've easily made the corner, why didn't he just brake a bit more and let Max shoot past him? We see it happen at most races when one car overtakes another too fast, goes deep and leaves space for the other car to take the position back. I thought they were both going too fast to make the corner but once off the track it did look like Max pushed him wider.
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To be fair, not exactly easy to do that at that corner.
Because you can only make that decision at the last second and by then there isnt the time. Ultimately Max was over zealous and knew what he was doing therefore it was intentional. As it was intentional and contrary to the rules there should be a consequence.
Because Hamilton was already ahead on the outside committed and about to turn in. It doesn't really matter does it? Racers are entitled to go round the outside if they want to and it suits the side of the track they have been pushed to. What's your point? Hamilton at fault for not attempting the switchero instead?
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