Brendan Rodgers sacked - If you're happy and you know it KLOPP your hands !!!

One thing Clyne and Moreno can do is get up and down the pitch all day. And the above post was based on him playing his preferred 4-2-3-1.
 
BaZ87 said:
One thing Clyne and Moreno can do is get up and down the pitch all day. And the above post was based on him playing his preferred 4-2-3-1.
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Yeah they got the energy. Decision making is important though. Will be interesting to see how he sets them out
 
My heart says Klopp but my head says Ancelotti. Klopp would be the darling of the Kop, you can already imagine the banners and songs. It just comes down to whether or not his efforts in Germany can translate across into the Premiere League.

Ancelotti has not just been here and done it, he's be there (in Europe) and done it too. I know that the Liverpool job is different than the top jobs with an endless money pot and CL qualification, but Ancelotti just feels safer.

My problem with Rodgers started with the Real Madrid game - I've never seen a Liverpool team visit a top team in Europe with the intention of losing. It was one of the most fearful, bizarre and awful things I've seen from a Liverpool manager in my life. Since then it became apparent that he didn't have the answers to build a team after Suarez went and so he then started to speak as if we where a bottom-half of the PL club. It was so weird, it was more like he was building a defensive wall around his own position instead of trying to speak for the club as a whole and leading with a clear vision. Ultimately he showed that he wasn't a big club manager.

Regardless of who we get we need someone that can handle the pressure and win the fans over. I want Liverpool to recapture it's identity that I feel was lost under Rodgers, someone that in 3 years can have us in the top 4 and who tries to win cup competitions and never, ever gives up.
 
We don't need safe. Safe isn't going to bridge the gap between us and the sides above us. Man City, Real Madrid, PSG, Chelsea etc need safe - they've got the best squads, they just need somebody to guide them on their way.

We need something different, somebody that will go about things in an unconventional way, that will find a way of compensating for the lack of resources compared to the sides we're trying to compete with.

Look at what happened 2 seasons ago. We were the most mental side possibly in PL history (iinm we scored and conceded more than Keegan's Newcastle sides) but that got us within a whisker of the title, massively outperforming sides with, on paper, better squads. We can't compete with City or Chelsea trying to replicate what they do because the 1 difference will be money and therefore their ability to sign better players. We've got to be different, we've got to be a bit mad. That doesn't mean it'll definitely work, but it's our best chance.
 
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BaZ87 said:
We don't need safe. Safe isn't going to bridge the gap between us and the sides above us. Man City, Real Madrid, PSG, Chelsea etc need safe - they've got the best squads, they just need somebody to guide them on their way.

We need something different, somebody that will go about things in an unconventional way, that will find a way of compensating for the lack of resources compared to the sides we're trying to compete with.

Look at what happened 2 seasons ago. We were the most mental side possibly in PL history (iinm we scored and conceded more than Keegan's Newcastle sides) but that got us within a whisker of the title, massively outperforming sides with, on paper, better squads. We can't compete with City or Chelsea trying to replicate what they do because the 1 difference will be money and therefore their ability to sign better players. We've got to be different, we've got to be a bit mad. That doesn't mean it'll definitely work, but it's our best chance.
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I understand your point and I hope you're right. I'll be happy with either manager. I just look forward to being able to watch Liverpool again knowing that we're actually progressing and not simply walking in circles.
 
Bah gallum ballaque reports klopp holding out for bayern really hope it's not true based on every over press saying it's us, plus that would definitely **** off all of dortmund
 
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I said all along that I wasnt too sure about Rodgers appointment but that I would give him time. In the end it just didnt work.

Now Klopp is a different kettle of fish altogether. Whereas with Rodgers I was uncertain but willing, when he was named as manager, with Klopp I have no uncertainty. He is simply the absolute right fit for Liverpool. His style of management, his style of media savvy, what he wants to achieve and what he has already achieved and of course his pulling power (I firmly believe that players will want to come and play for Klopp, whereas I think many were not drawn by the name Rodgers).

I've got to say that my excitement for the remainder of the season has gone into overdrive, after an apathetic feel to the season so far I just cant wait now to see what Klopp can do. I'm even actually thinking of subscribing to BT Sport now just so that I can watch his first game in charge live. (anything that can make me subscribe to BT must be incredible :) )
 
Mark1989 said:
Bah gallum ballaque reports klopp holding out for bayern really hope it's not true based on every over press saying it's us, plus that would definitely **** off all of dortmund
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Professional no mark Gollum Balague? His main tactic is to say 100 things and get hope to get 1 right.
 
No1newts said:
Nail, head.

Don't get me wrong I like Klippity but he could build a Dortmund team whilst at the same time offering thereabouts guaranteed CL football. Plus Germany have and still are going through a purple patch of producing national talent which don't particularly want to leave in search of riches abroad and they were the second best club in Germany.

All of that helps hugely in building a squad and Liverpool currently cannot offer any of what Dortmund did. Great youth? Nope (perhaps bar Ibe) guaranteed CL football, certainly not, one of the best teams and payers so can keep top talent? Nope.
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He first managed Mainz who finished 14th the year before he took over in the second division, he immediately made them compete for promotion and achieved it in his third year and qualified for Uefa cup in the second year in the top division, did get relegated but this was a small club with little money. He still achieved a great deal.

Dortmund between 03/04 and Klopp taking over didn't finish above 6th, were 14th the season before he took over, a strong club 00-03 with a win and top three finishes they had 5 years being not great. THey most certainly weren't a strong CL side helping him build a squad. He finished 6th, then 5th, then won it two years in a row, second twice in a row and one 7th with literally 6-7 months of the season in a terrible injury crisis and great form when the injuries went away.


At both clubs he built the squads up himself and achieved success off his own back, not being some top 3 CL club with more money than anyone else.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/borussia-dortmund/alletransfers/verein/16

They became a top 2 club with consistent CL appearances while spending 2-3mil net a year and less than 15mil a year on players going from 14th to 1st in the league.

This is precisely what Liverpool need, someone spotting talent, someone nurturing talent, someone who is a brilliant coach, will get the best out of the team, plays a smart game that will do excellently in europe and someone unafraid to use youth players.

He's one of the best managers in europe precisely because he is one of the few not to take over big CL teams, have massive budgets and couldn't buy just whoever he wanted. Ancelotti, Mourinho, these are guys who take over strong teams and can buy who they want. Klopp had to build a team with little and turn it into a great side and he did that better than pretty much anyone else has in recent history... well, Simeone took over a team not close to consistently in CL or the top 4 and made them incredibly competitive however Atletico have spent huge while selling a few players for huge fees.
 
For what it is worth, I'm a huge fan of Klopp and Simeone and sort of agree with DM that they are both immensely talented coaches.

Simeone came within 45 minutes of (in my opinion) the biggest achievement a domestic club has achieved since the late 70's, taking things in to context where Atlético Madrid were before. Klopp came pretty ******* close too mind, but not quite the same level of upset domestically.

Regardless, I have thought for a long time that if Liverpool got their **** together and could attract either, with Klopp being the more likely, they would be exceptionally well placed.

Liverpool under either of those managers would be more then 'in competition for the title'.

On a slightly unrelated note, I think it will be interesting if Mourinho goes in the near future. Klopp is undoubtedly an excellent coach and with Chelsea being absolutely **** and with 'the special one' losing his marbles, the owner at Chelsea must be getting an itchy trigger finger. Klopp has his pick, I firmly believe he would move to Liverpool ahead of every club but Manchester United in England (I'm sure he has eluded to this in the past) too.

Also; could not stand Klopp at Chelsea. I am a huge fan of Klopp, could not stand to like a Chelsea manager that much. Chelsea can remain the poisonous club they are.
 
Also; no idea what training was like under Rodgers but boy will it be more intensive under Klopp.
 
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I know we're only 10 or so games in but Sturridge and Benteke have managed a whole 45 minutes together so I don't see that being a huge issue.
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As well as the Benteke/Firmino links, we've got the basis of a side that fits into his way of playing. We've got fullbacks that have the energy to get up and down the pitch, pressing the opposition high and early. In Henderson and Milner we've got midfielders who's entire game is built around their energy and ability to get about the pitch pressing the opposition.
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Spatial geometry?

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The 3 behind the front is where the major question mark is for me. I wouldn't be surprise if we see Coutinho central, with Firmino to one side but pushed high up the pitch and then 1 of Henderson or Milner narrow on the other side (then the other + Lucas/Can in midfield). I saw a clip on youtube showing how Dortmund would often squeeze the play in one side of the pitch to create space on the opposite flank for the fullbacks to get forward into.
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Genenpressing?
 
Tummy said:
On a slightly unrelated note, I think it will be interesting if Mourinho goes in the near future. Klopp is undoubtedly an excellent coach and with Chelsea being absolutely **** and with 'the special one' losing his marbles, the owner at Chelsea must be getting an itchy trigger finger. Klopp has his pick, I firmly believe he would move to Liverpool ahead of every club but Manchester United in England (I'm sure he has eluded to this in the past) too.
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To continue that unrelated note, I have found myself wondering about Chelsea of late. IF they were to sack Mourinho, would they be interested in linking up with Ancelotti again(or vice versa for that matter)?

(assuming that Guardiola stuck where he was)
 
Tombstone said:
To continue that unrelated note, I have found myself wondering about Chelsea of late. IF they were to sack Mourinho, would they be interested in linking up with Ancelotti again(or vice versa for that matter)?

(assuming that Guardiola stuck where he was)
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Chelsea are in an interesting situation. I believe a that if in their next run of matches there is not a dramatic improvement (not just results, but performances) 'the special one' will be on his way.

Then the situation gets interesting, Klopp would potentially be available; which is why this situation becomes more interesting as Chelsea might not want to 'miss out' on him.

I am not convinced Guardiola is staying or leaving. I would be extremely shocked if he was to become Chelsea manager though.
 
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