Brendan Rodgers sacked - If you're happy and you know it KLOPP your hands !!!

Trusty said:
What do you mean? Suarez was a such a massive player, Gerrard the following season was check out mentally..no wonder they finished 6th. It's not like they finished 14th or something. They were there or there abouts where they should be for a team with that money. If Rogders had won the title, Suarez would have stayed and Rogders would still be manager now. They certainly played some mint stuff during that good period. The potential was there.
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If they won the league Suarez would absolutely not have stayed. Winning compared to coming second made no difference, a few mil in extra winnings, still in the champs league so qualification for CL wasn't a factor. Liverpool had they won the league or not were not Barcelona, were not offering Barcelona wages and would not completely rely on Suarez they way Liverpool did.

AS for them being there or their abouts or Gerrard checking out, the first isn't true, they are significantly beyond the teams who beat them financially. Likewise Gerrard didn't check out last year, he wasn't even very good the year before aside from his ironic slip. He's been declining in effectiveness and usefulness for 5 years, it wasn't a miracle he was bad last year, it wasn't unexpected and more to the point Rodgers kept playing him when he shouldn't. Rodgers didn't plan for it, didn't replace him.

Anyone could see Suarez was off after another year, I lose count of the number of players who almost leave a club like Spurs, Arsenal, Utd, Liverpool for a club like Real or Barca one year then stay on, and leave for a big fee the very next season. The "give me one more year, we'll pay you more to stay" talk. To fans this is talked up as a "lets win the title then you'll want to stay" tactic, in reality it's a "let me pay you to stay, help us get some more money when you leave and we won't fight your move next year and gives us the chance to plan for your replacement.

Rodgers didn't plan for Suarez's replacement effectively, well, at all really, Lambert?
 
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drunkenmaster said:
If they won the league Suarez would absolutely not have stayed. Winning compared to coming second made no difference, a few mil in extra winnings, still in the champs league so qualification for CL wasn't a factor. Liverpool had they won the league or not were not Barcelona, were not offering Barcelona wages and would not completely rely on Suarez they way Liverpool did.

AS for them being their or their abouts or Gerrard checking out, the first isn't true, they are significantly beyond the teams who beat them financially. Likewise Gerrard didn't check out last year, he wasn't even very good the year before aside from his ironic slip. He's been declining in effectiveness and usefulness for 5 years, it wasn't a miracle he was bad last year, it wasn't unexpected and more to the point Rodgers kept playing him when he shouldn't. Rodgers didn't plan for it, didn't replace him.

Anyone could see Suarez was off after another year, I lose count of the number of players who almost leave a club like Spurs, Arsenal, Utd, Liverpool for a club like Real or Barca one year then stay on, and leave for a big fee the very next season. The "give me one more year, we'll pay you more to stay" talk. To fans this is talked up as a "lets win the title then you'll want to stay" tactic, in reality it's a "let me pay you to stay, help us get some more money and the chance to plan for your replacement.

Rodgers didn't plan for Suarez's replacement effectively, well, at all really, Lambert?
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Splitting hairs here a bit. My point was more to with that the fact that winning a PL title in the circumstances they could have. Small amount of money in terms of expenditure for a title winning side compared to a lot of other clubs around them. Pool hadnt won it years. It would have being an extremely triumphant time. You cant say he would have left for Barca for certain, no way. The aura around LFC would have being incredible. Scenrio...Suarez stays, Pool don't spend 30m on Origi, Lambert, Balotelli and they buy Benteke a year earlier. Coutinho, Suarez, Sturrigde and Benteke as your front 4. He spread his bets on 3 players, didnt work out. This year he went full bang, Liverpool have a very good player in Benteke now.
 
Ben Smith from the BBC is reporting that negotiations with Klopp are 'progressing well' and that he could be appointed before the end of the week.
 
No1newts said:
Valid point raise today about Rodgers/Suarez. A lot of people say Rodgers benefitted from a great player and it was nothing to do with him, by that measure you cannot then blame him when Suarez left and the team got worse. Meaning either praise him then detract or do neither. To many people have credited his success to Suarez and everything that went wrong fully loaded on him. Need some consistency with the approach.
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Totally agree. I said at the time that him getting 2nd would end up being the first nail in his coffin. I feel sorry for the guy, but Liverpool won't get a better shot at a top manager than right now with Klopp. They will want him out after 2 years.

The whole get young players and expect to lose some if they come good might work for a season but then you have to follow that with magical results or you're an idiot again. The fans won't take that and I doubt any of them really would buy into that philosophy.

Nothing will change, Liverpool still wont be a consistent top 4 side but they will shovel some money but not enough to really compete at a new manager. In 2 or so years time you can repeat the cycle all over again.
 
so klopp will come in. have to ship out a shed load of dirge and essentially rebuild your back 4. something he can't start until january and any decent cb's who may be available you will be held to ransom for.

£200m net spend by this time next year?
 
cm1179 said:
so klopp will come in. have to ship out a shed load of dirge and essentially rebuild your back 4. something he can't start until january and any decent cb's who may be available you will be held to ransom for.

£200m net spend by this time next year?
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The back 4 of Liverpool is good enough to compete in the league, it just needs the right coaching/setup. Rodgers wasn't capable of doing that.
 
Andybtsn said:
The back 4 of Liverpool is good enough to compete in the league, it just needs the right coaching/setup. Rodgers wasn't capable of doing that.
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I'd agree with that, Liverpool have shipped so many goals in the last 2 and a bit seasons, that's Rodgers doing.
 
Mark1989 said:
It's happening!!
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Come on Liverpool, make the announcement already!!!!
 
Personally can't see Klippity succeeding. Ancelloti perhaps but Klippity succeeded in a league with 2-3 decent teams with a blinking good squad, in a competitive league expecting to run a money ball business he will just be set up to fail like Rodgers.

I like Klippity but personally can't see it ending well.
 
No1newts said:
Personally can't see Klippity succeeding. Ancelloti perhaps but Klippity succeeded in a league with 2-3 decent teams with a blinking good squad, in a competitive league expecting to run a money ball business he will just be set up to fail like Rodgers.

I like Klippity but personally can't see it ending well.
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Umm and where do you think Dortmund's 'blinking good squad' came from??? Ohh yeah Klopp built it all!
 
Stumble Bum said:
Umm and where do you think Dortmund's 'blinking good squad' came from??? Ohh yeah Klopp built it all!
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It doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be able to do it again though? I'm sure he has a good scouting team but sometimes the stars align and things just come together perfectly. Even if he does build a great squad it won't help if Liverpool continue to offload their best players whenever a bigger team comes knocking.

I like him though I think it'd be great to have him in the EPL.
 
I like Klopp. I think he could get Liverpool back in the top 4, but I don't think they will be title challengers.

You never know how any manager will get on when they come to the prem for the first time. That's the reason why I would have preferred Ancelotti. Premier league in his first season. Obviously got the knack.
 
Moses said:
I think the pieces there are at least on a par with the other contenders for top four like Tottenham and Manyoo.
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spurs finally have a cb pairing with a good understanding of one another but even then we look risky at times and it's taken a long long time to reach this. i think our cb pairing is of a top 4 standard and there's still lots of work to do.

i don't think liverpool are anywhere near spurs in terms of defence and you know you're in trouble when that's possibly the case though it's all a matter of opinion.

i would think atleast one new cb would be first on klopps shopping list and who is there that's available for the task of being part of a rebuilding process who is willing to give up cl football to get on board?
 
Well they've only conceded 3 more than you, and you have a much better keeper so I'd say you're on par with each other tbh.
 
cm1179 said:
spurs finally have a cb pairing with a good understanding of one another but even then we look risky at times and it's taken a long long time to reach this. i think our cb pairing is of a top 4 standard and there's still lots of work to do.

i don't think liverpool are anywhere near spurs in terms of defence and you know you're in trouble when that's possibly the case though it's all a matter of opinion.

i would think atleast one new cb would be first on klopps shopping list and who is there that's available for the task of being part of a rebuilding process who is willing to give up cl football to get on board?
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Nail, head.

Don't get me wrong I like Klippity but he could build a Dortmund team whilst at the same time offering thereabouts guaranteed CL football. Plus Germany have and still are going through a purple patch of producing national talent which don't particularly want to leave in search of riches abroad and they were the second best club in Germany.

All of that helps hugely in building a squad and Liverpool currently cannot offer any of what Dortmund did. Great youth? Nope (perhaps bar Ibe) guaranteed CL football, certainly not, one of the best teams and payers so can keep top talent? Nope.

I don't think Liverpool are in a "bad" situation and I'm not saying the above to knock Liverpool just to highlight that Klippity had a lot going in his favour to help succeed at Dortmund that he won't have at Liverpool.

Can he do it? Yea, he could. Will he do it? It's a huge IF and I certainly wouldn't be getting carried away considering City, Arsenal are nailed on and ManU/Chelski are still relatively under performing so will improve.

Regardless will be interesting!
 
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