Brexit thread - what happens next

Gilly · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:10

esoteric said:
Heard on the radio driving home that, David Cameron has basically said deal with it, we are coming out of the EU.

Probably won't stop the crying for another referendum though.

He hasn't. We've been following PMQ in this thread. He's said no more than that it's down to his replacement to decide.

Bonjour · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:10

itchy said:
I said I was not going to post again but......

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan’-by-France-Germany-report

http://uatoday.tv/politics/european-superstate-instead-of-e-u-680410.html

^^^^This is why I voted out.

Yes. I make all life's important decisions based on articles from The Express.

Gilly · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:10

dl8860 said:
I just watched PMQs for far too long at work, you can tell they are all intelligent people, and they are politically forced to pay lip service to the democratic vote and say it is sacred, when they all know that really the public are a bunch of ******* morons and this is economic suicide.

It needs someone heroic to make an incredible speech about how MPs represent the electorate but actually are intelligent people themselves, how the future of the Union of the UK being at risk outweights a 4% majority on this. Then put themselves up for new Tory leader on the platform of defying the referendum, if you then get a few brave MPs start to back it it could take off.

Whilst I agree, it really would need someone heroic because they'd be ending their own political careers.

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:11

itchy said:
I said I was not going to post again but......

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan’-by-France-Germany-report

http://uatoday.tv/politics/european-superstate-instead-of-e-u-680410.html

^^^^This is why I voted out.

You do realise that the UK has an opt out from future integration?

Phonesis · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:12

dl8860 said:
I just watched PMQs for far too long at work, you can tell they are all intelligent people, and they are politically forced to pay lip service to the democratic vote and say it is sacred, when they all know that really the public are a bunch of ******* morons and this is economic suicide.

It needs someone heroic to make an incredible speech about how MPs represent the electorate but actually are intelligent people themselves, how the future of the Union of the UK being at risk outweights a 4% majority on this. Then put themselves up for new Tory leader on the platform of defying the referendum, if you then get a few brave MPs start to back it it could take off.

It's an interesting point. This would essentially beckon in a meritocracy of sorts, something many have been advocating for years.

Akagi · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:12

do_ron_ron said:
You do realise that the UK has an opt out from future integration?

It has already been said about 20 times. Nobody is listening it would seem... None of the reasons people voted out actually exist...

Mauller · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:13

do_ron_ron said:
You do realise that the UK has an opt out from future integration?

It wont last thought, the EU is already moving to limit individual members ability to veto legislation. They are doing it now for trade deals and have been considering making all legislation based on majority vote.

They have already called for tighter integration.

Mynight · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:13

do_ron_ron said:
You do realise that the UK has an opt out from future integration?

"Had"

dl8860 · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:13

Gilly said:
Whilst I agree, it really would need someone heroic because they'd be ending their own political careers.

How about if it was someone who was only London based? The London-based, heavily pro-remain electorate would surely be forgiving if they stunt didn't come off, and it wouldn't ruin their political career too much going forwards.

Someone be a hero, please

Akagi · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:14

Mynight said:
"Had"

Has... Again, we are still in the EU at the moment...

scorza · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:16

Acme said:
It has already been said about 20 times. Nobody is listening it would seem... None of the reasons people voted out actually exist...

People were listening, but they just didn't believe that the politicians would use that opt-out. Quite sensibly imo given the past performance of UK "opt-outs" of EU legislation.

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:16

Mauller said:
It wont last thought, the EU is already moving to limit individual members ability to veto legislation. They are doing it now for trade deals and have been considering making all legislation based on majority vote.

They have already called for tighter integration.

To which Britain has a veto. But as they will soon no longer be in and want access to the single market they will have to accept anything that the EU decides. Dumb or dumber?

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:17

Mynight said:
"Had"

Still has until they declare Article 50.

deuse · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:17

The Remain MPs are a bunch of moaning Minnie's

Mynight · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:18

Acme said:
Has... Again, we are still in the EU at the moment...

do_ron_ron said:
Still has until they declare Article 50.

Meh true.

I'll be quiet

.

stewski · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:18

deuse said:
The Remain MPs are a bunch of moaning Minnie's

They probably wouldn't even describe themselves as "Alpha"

w1lliam · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:20

dl8860 said:
I just watched PMQs for far too long at work, you can tell they are all intelligent people, and they are politically forced to pay lip service to the democratic vote and say it is sacred, when they all know that really the public are a bunch of ******* morons and this is economic suicide.

It needs someone heroic to make an incredible speech about how MPs represent the electorate but actually are intelligent people themselves, how the future of the Union of the UK being at risk outweights a 4% majority on this. Then put themselves up for new Tory leader on the platform of defying the referendum, if you then get a few brave MPs start to back it it could take off.

Gilly said:
Whilst I agree, it really would need someone heroic because they'd be ending their own political careers.

And be rewarded with a peerage perhaps

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:20

I am not surprised Nigel is quiet. As his life's work has been fulfilled he is probably making plans to dissolve his Party and plan a retirement somewhere(in Britain, of course)
No?

Gilly · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:21

w1lliam said:
And be rewarded with a peerage perhaps

Perhaps. Hell of a gamble.

do_ron_ron said:
I am not surprised Nigel is quiet. As his life's work has been fulfilled he is probably making plans to dissolve his Party and plan a retirement somewhere(in Britain, of course)
No?

That would almost be worth all of this.

He won't go quietly.

Mauller · 27 Jun 2016 at 17:21

do_ron_ron said:
To which Britain has a veto. But as they will soon no longer be in and want access to the single market they will have to accept anything that the EU decides. Dumb or dumber?

We wouldn't have to accept everything, none of the EFTA members have to accept all legislation if they do not want to. And certainly none that affects the country on a political basis. Most legislation is based upon the quality and standards of trade goods etc.

The EFTA members are far freer than the UK in terms of self governance.