Brexit thread - what happens next

estebanrey · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:54

JBod said:
I wonder if the press feel any shame for what they are wrought on our country. They were just trying to sell newspapers and get advertising revenue but now they have lead us to the brink of disaster with their hyperbole, half truths and poorly contrived statistics.

Oh the irony....

Minstadave · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:55

Amp34 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong bi that was one of the con sessions Cameron got. Immigrants to the UK wouldn't have got that...

Correct.

Buckster · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:55

AAA credit rating lost from one of the groups

AND still on a negative outlook on AA

wordy · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:56

Glaucus said:
very clever flip flopping by Cameron, extremely well played.

No one was expecting him to give an honest answers, given he spent the whole run up to the referendum lying.

.Trooper. said:
"Last Friday morning was amazing! I woke up in my Union Jack jim-jams to the sound of a squadron of Spitfires racing overhead and leaving a trail of hot buttered crumpets behind them

TBF that would be pretty cool.

Gilly said:
If anything I'm more convinced now than before that it's not set in stone.

If Boris remains in hiding or does turn out to have no plan as to what to do, who is the pro-leave leader they're going to look to?

They need someone to lead on it or it won't happen.

We need the elected government to enact the will of the people & lead on it. Because they haven't got the result they wanted it doesn't absolve them of the responsibility of doing the jobs we elected & pay them to do.

grudas said:
I'm sitting here and thinking... WOW this is a massive mess!

tbh I think the country would've been better off without this referendum.

You could be right. But I certainly voted on something I was very uncomfortable with in TTIP, I'd hate not to have a say on that coming to fruition.

uber soldat · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:58

The right thing to do isn't always the easiest thing to do.

Buckster · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:58

uber soldat said:
The right thing to do isn't always the easiest thing to do.

you go tell that to the person that loses their house

datalol-jack · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:59

uber soldat said:
The right thing to do isn't always the easiest thing to do.

Easy to say if you aren't the one paying for it.

wordy · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:00

Buckster said:
you go tell that to the person that loses their house

Who's that? The person that had to sell it to pay for life saving surgery, when TTIP came into being?

Naff8000 · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:00

Buckster said:
AAA credit rating lost from one of the groups

AND still on a negative outlook on AA

Fantastic news. Lets see if we can reach junk boys. Go engerland :rolleyes:

stewski · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:01

wordy said:
Who's that? The person that has had to sell it go get live saving surgery when TTIP came into being?

The chances of a TTIP style relationship with the US are likely higher out than in.

Vtec9k · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:01

MonkeyMan said:
People are looking far too short term, this decision isn't about today it's about how the country stands in 10 / 20 years time.

The European market has been in decline for years with only a slight increase seen recently but for how long who knows. The real opportunities now lie in Eastern markets such as China and India, I've seen this in my line of work where premium products which were once designed for western markets are being made to suit Eastern tastes.

We will be in a far stronger position to deal with these countries outside the EU

I've got to totally disagree. Yes there's plenty of new money in China and emerging markets, I'm sure we'll punt plenty of Range Rovers but the Eastern markets have been in borderline recession for years, China is barely staving it off with massing currency manipulations. Others are so intrinsically linked to the EU/US that they are also on rocky foundations.

Furthermore what makes you think the UK alone (5th largest) is in a stronger position to negotiate with China then the EU (1st/2nd combined)?

Minstadave · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:01

Buckster said:
AAA credit rating lost from one of the groups

AND still on a negative outlook on AA

Just a small dip is OK to SAVE THE WORLD!

wordy · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:02

stewski said:
The chances of a TTIP style relationship with the US are likely higher out than in.

You sure, or is that just speculation?

The government would have to get a plan like TTIP past the electorate & not say "sorry not our fault" when the NHS was sold off.

Buckster · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:02

Minstadave said:
Just a small dip is OK to SAVE THE WORLD!

I think we will save the EU

EU will reform

we'll be out of it and stuffed

we'll be shown as the example

Bonjour · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:03

wordy said:
Who's that? The person that has had to sell it to pay for life saving surgery when TTIP came into being?

We're better protected against a TTIP-style agreement from within the EU, tbh. Most of the other countries are against it. Not so much the Tories, who will most likely be in charge when it's time to renegotiate our trade agreement with the USA.

stewski · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:04

wordy said:
The government would have to get a plan like TTIP past the electorate & not say "sorry not our fault" when the NHS was sold off.

Well don't vote Conservative then.

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:04

stewski said:
The chances of a TTIP style relationship with the US are likely higher out than in.

Fraid so. A lot of anti-TTIP has come from Germany. With the UK desperate to get some trade deal they might grab this without looking too carefully. Then they will have foreign companies deciding instead of foreign countries as at present.

Mauller · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:05

kitch9 said:
No problem with free movement of people personally but I don't think in work benefits should be available the second they arrive it's pointless anyone coming here or anywhere else if they have to claim straight away.

The bolded part is a major problem with a lot of remain people from more affluent areas. They don't and have never had to experience the problems with the recession head on, nor have they had to deal with high levels of immigration in their areas.

Mauller · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:06

Buckster said:
I think we will save the EU

EU will reform

we'll be out of it and stuffed

we'll be shown as the example

The EU is going down anyway due to the Euro and the problems it is causing the weaker economies in the block.

kitch9 · 27 Jun 2016 at 19:07

Amp34 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong bi that was one of the con sessions Cameron got. Immigrants to the UK wouldn't have got that...

He wanted no out of work benefits for 4 years, he didn't get that.