Britans Youngest Mum to be (12years old)

[pyro]

I don't think you can say that she is a victim. Not old enough to make balanced decisions at 10/11? How can you even blame the education system? You mean there is a lack of sex education?

In my opinion it's up to the individual the schools can only do so much. Where I went to school girls at 15/16 were getting pregnant despite having good (imo) sex education. It's up to the family to raise her correctly not anyone else, social services etc. just help along the way, they can't help a lost cause.

I just think we need some new laws on the matter, I'm sure what yet as I believe most will be against human rights.

I can't remember having sex education in Greece, and I had never, ever, heard of any girl getting pregnant at 12. In fact I had never seen or heard of any girl who goes to school, to get pregnant. The first time I saw that was on criminal minds and I was like You can walk into a clinic and get as many free condoms as you want or the pill, we don't have that in Greece, or in any other country I'v been too. None of these countries have the problem there is in the UK.

It's not the education system, it's not a lack of sex education, it's society, untill we stop saying that it's ok for a baby to have a baby and even pay them for that this trend will keep on going.

 

[Matblack]

Think of this, yeah, a 40yr old milf does a 13yr old boy, now I know at 13 if some hot girl did stuff to me I'd be quite happy. If a 40yr old man does a 13yr old girl, he is a pedo and goes to jail, surely.

Whether you like it or not it still constitutes child abuse and the woman can be prosecuted for it.

MB

 

[pyro]

Whether you like it or not it still constitutes child abuse and the woman can be prosecuted for it.

MB

Am I saying it's right I am just saying that women have it easier than men on this case (as well), remember that American teacher?

 

[Matblack]

It's not the education system, it's not a lack of sex education, it's society, untill we stop saying that it's ok for a baby to have a baby and even pay them for that this trend will keep on going.

I've never heard that said or anything remotely like it :/

MB

 

[Carlos_S]

Thats wrong, child abuse it not a crime which can only be commited by men and although some may say that the abuse of an underage boy by a woman over the age of 16 is OK and a bit of a laugh its still illegal.

MB

If you are a 13 year old boy you could easily fight off a middle aged woman if you wanted (at least enough to prevent intercourse) however a 13 year old girl has little chance of fighting off a middle aged man. You can only make the sexes equal to an extent.

 

[Jet]

She said: “I can give up smoking at any time, but I don’t find it affects my pregnancy.

WTF? What did she expect would happen?

 

[daveyj27]

Most kids are more mature then there parents like to think.

And most kids are nowhere near as mature as they themselves think they are.


Edited for poor grammar.

 

[pyro]

I've never heard that said or anything remotely like it :/

MB

They give them free money/houses/etc, surely if people looked down at teenage pregnancy the state wouldn't be paying the girls?

 

[Carlos_S]

You can walk into a clinic and get as many free condoms as you want or the pill, we don't have that in Greece, or in any other country I'v been too. None of these countries have the problem there is in the UK.

I don't think preventing access to contraceptives would help the problem and could possibly make it worse if anything. Without any stricter laws or whatever children are going to carry on having sex making contraceptives available helps to reduce that number slightly. We need other solutions other than that to stop the problem.

 

[jezsoup]

They give them free money/houses/etc, surely if people looked down at teenage pregnancy the state wouldn't be paying the girls?

In Holalnd it is a social stigma to have a child when your so young, over here its accepted (and rewarded?) in Italy single mothers get no support fromt he state. im not saying their solutions are totally ideal but they are a hell of a lot better than what we have at the minute.

 

[Jest3r]

Where'd all the money for this come from?
Wish I had that kind of money.
Same as above two remarks.

Quite obvious really, the sun exclusive....

 

[Matblack]

They give them free money/houses/etc, surely if people looked down at teenage pregnancy the state wouldn't be paying the girls?

The idea of removing benifits from teenage mothers is one which has been argued here many times.

I personally don't think it would work and feel you would end up with an increase in the number of neglected babies due to the mothers not having enough money to survive. My thoughts are with these babies rather than the mothers. If you introduce a cycle of neglect then you will see the problem increase not decrease.

There needs to be incentive for these young mothers to continue with education and find productive roles in society but by removing benifits surely you make this more rather than less difficault?

MB

 

[Carlos_S]

They give them free money/houses/etc, surely if people looked down at teenage pregnancy the state wouldn't be paying the girls?

I think we have to give them some support or the country would end up even worse. Without money these people would be forced to steal, mug etc. The US, if I remember correctly, has no welfare state and look at the poverty and state of living if some of it's poorer areas it's terrible, we don't have places like that in the UK adn thankfully so.

 

[pyro]

In Holalnd it is a social stigma to have a child when your so young, over here its accepted (and rewarded?) in Italy single mothers get no support fromt he state. im not saying their solutions are totally ideal but they are a hell of a lot better than what we have at the minute.

Dude if a 12yr old girl got pregnant in Greece there would be freaking chaos! And teenage mothers don't get any funds either, nor it is acceptable for an unmaried girl to have a baby, let alone if that girl is still at school.

I don't think preventing access to contraceptives would help the problem and could possibly make it worse if anything. Without any stricter laws or whatever children are going to carry on having sex making contraceptives available helps to reduce that number slightly. We need other solutions other than that to stop the problem.

I ment that even though you can get these for free here in UK, teen pregnancy rates are still higher than in other countries where these things you have to pay to get them. Hence saying that the problem is not in the resources or information but in society.

 

[Matblack]

look at the poverty and state of living if some of it's poorer areas it's terrible, we don't have places like that in the UK adn thankfully so.

You'd be amazed at the numeber of people who would disagree with that, especially when you tell them it would save them money in tax.

MB

 

[Bennah]

Why cant I say, im not suprised tbh.

Young teenagers these days, are out drinking at the weekends. Smoking as much as they can and they are proud of it. Its all about street cred and all that, boasting that you lost your virginity at a young age is something thats 'good' in thier eyes.

Dont know where to start, who's to blame, if we actually did, then wouldnt it be stopped? Cant be all blamed on the parents...

Anyway, that picture a few posts up is the pervious youngest mum in britain. Posing that she is proud of it.

The current girl mum is somewhat confusing me. She is all happy and everything. Gives me the impression, that she is just after the money that her daughter now is going to get. Tbh, everyone is gonig to be talking about her now. She is gonig to be a little famous. Talk shows, interviews for papers, storys etc etc will be offered to her.

Young people these days, just need some common sense really. If they are going out with lads or girls, can be any side making the mistake, they should be taking precautions with them. The parents should be advising them too. They can only advise them though. If thier child does what they say, is another matter.

The teenage days of your life are somewhat, as many say, the best. Why go and spoil it by getting pregnant... I will never know!

Anyway...

She comes from a large family in West Lothian and has an eight-month-old brother who will become an UNCLE before he turns one.

Whats wrong with that? I was an uncle when I was nearly 10 months old. Im the youngest of 5. Oldest being 39 (40 in August) My oldest sister had a baby when she was 18. 10 months I was on the scene

 

[pyro]

The idea of removing benifits from teenage mothers is one which has been argued here many times.

I personally don't think it would work and feel you would end up with an increase in the number of neglected babies due to the mothers not having enough money to survive. My thoughts are with these babies rather than the mothers. If you introduce a cycle of neglect then you will see the problem increase not decrease.

There needs to be incentive for these young mothers to continue with education and find productive roles in society but by removing benifits surely you make this more rather than less difficault?

MB

If she is nor married and doesn't get money from someone and can't take care of the kid, surely that kid is better off under the protection of the state? She can continue her education and once she has finished and got a job she can then be reunited with her child. Meanwhile the cost to the state will drop, and it will also, hopefully, help raise a new generation that's not like their mothers.

 

[Bennah]

Just read down a little more...

The girl feared she might be pregnant and visited a doctor three times for tests, but each proved negative.

Only when she bought a supermarket home-testing kit did the truth emerge.

Wtf were the doctors doing then? Surely the Doctors tests are better than they Clear Blue things you get from a Supermarket or Chemist ?

Tbh, if my GF visited the Doctor 3 times and they all came back negative, we would be thinking that she was'nt pregnant.

 

[pyro]

Just read down a little more...



Wtf were the doctors doing then? Surely the Doctors tests are better than they Clear Blue things you get from a Supermarket or Chemist ?

Tbh, if my GF visited the Doctor 3 times and they all came back negative, we would be thinking that she was'nt pregnant.

My guess it has to do with the time she did the test. When you do get tested they say that, even though the test is negative, you might still be pregntant. You have to wait till your period comes, if that doesn't happen then you have to go back for another test.

 

[Matblack]

If she is nor married and doesn't get money from someone and can't take care of the kid, surely that kid is better off under the protection of the state? She can continue her education and once she has finished and got a job she can then be reunited with her child. Meanwhile the cost to the state will drop, and it will also, hopefully, help raise a new generation that's not like their mothers.

THE PROTECTION OF THE STATE??????

Do you know;

a) how much that costs in taxes
b) the potential psycological damage that state care does to children and parents who have their children removed
c) the increased chances of abuse whilst in care
d) the ongoing support offered to looked after children and the increase in child crime and ironically teenage parenthood in looked after children.

In some cases care is the only choice but it is and should be a last resort, for most children it is a saving grace and solice from what they might have been through but at the moment it is a tool of last resort and should IMHO remain that way lest we return to the childrens homes of the 1950s/60s

MB