It really is the most dull role in the forces isn't it
Not sure, I've quite enjoyed maintaining Ejection Seats, Aircraft Cannons, Building bombs, Air-to-Air Missiles etc
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Not sure, I've quite enjoyed maintaining Ejection Seats, Aircraft Cannons, Building bombs, Air-to-Air Missiles etc
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Soldato
I asked one guy once "what do you do then?".
"OH I bomb things".
"so you're a pilot then?"
"no, I'm an armourer".
no, you pull a pin out pal.
"OH I bomb things".
"so you're a pilot then?"
"no, I'm an armourer".
no, you pull a pin out pal.
Soldato
acogs were bought just for Afghanistan - and like all the other UOR's after the withdrawl is compete have no funding for support / replacement if any break unless it gets brought into core - the eclan was selected as part of FIST using core funding to fully replace susat, id imagine some people will still have acogs / susats for a good while though until they all break / wear out
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sorry just read this now, whats it like in the logistics supplier for colorblind people? would i get restricted in what i can work with
Cheers mate i cant say im overly impressed with the Susat or ACOG though as its really just a zoom plain old binoculars does the same job almost for the enemy at a lower cost. And its not even the Urban combat that bugged me with the BA it was actually mostly compound battles where they would seek cover or firing positions behind ditches or low compound walls and rely on the firepower on call nearly always.
I mean if you want people to stop firing on you then you have to get your heads up and put enough fire on them to make them go away instead of ducking and calling in choppers and artillery all the time id expect one of the top armed forced in the world to be able to easily win infantry on infantry battles and have much superior kit.
I just really get the underwhelmed feeling when you consider the AK and a pair of binoculars and iron sights can pretty much stand toe to toe with SA80 family with ACOG even with body armor that AK bullet has serious kenetic energy behind it. It seems like most of the top end stuff goes on the Helicopters and Jets instead of giving the people on the ground the best money can buy. If you took away all the on call support and it was just those fellas on the ground would you feel superior as there is some amazing technology out there they do not seem to have access too.
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Not really no. You'll find many in supply are colour blind as it's one of the trades open to those with limited colour perception. The only things that would be an issue are getting a permit to drive on an airfield, and workings he aviation fuels aspect of the trade. Although as fuels ***** are all smelly and generally on the lower end of the brain power curve I wouldn't worry.
Working on a flying squadron is the best job in the trade (in my opinion/experience at least) and my most enjoyable years were doing just that.
One caveat I'll add is that as soon as I left the RAF (2 years now, wow) I started digging my way out of the logistics world (I left the RAF and went straight to BAE Systems) and switched to the aircraft engineering side of things at the first opportunity. Although that's not to say I didn't enjoy my time, but I was always overqualified for the trade, never really felt challenged, and only ended up in it as "it was the only trade open" when I couldn't go Avionics Tech due to my colour vision.
My advice, don't believe a word the recruiters tell you.
Soldato
What?
No offence, but are you currently high?
Man of Honour
True it was not typed the best and i could go and edit it but i do not even feel like it as you need to seriously wind your neck in with this superior attitude. The post was obviously mis informed as it was a question about sighting people on the battlefield and i wanted to know more about it. Thats normally how questions work where one uninformed person asks an informed person his opinion.
If i knew a bunch of army rudeboys would jump on me for grammar and being wrong i would have never posted. My question still stands though SA80 is lower calibre than the AK so where is the big advantage when the scopes are simply 4x zoom? Someone with a pair of bino's can get 4X too and put down less accurate but larger calibre rounds on your positions and vice versa. Without the support from Air and Artillery it just seemed that things are still pretty balanced versus a 50 dollar gun. If this is wrong say why dont just go off on omg grammr wrong fail rant
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Man of Honour
There is so much wrong with your argument that people don't even know where to start and probably can't be bothered even if they do
<3 Dem Army rude boys
<3 Dem Army rude boys
It is not an arguement though it is a question
SA80 5.56mm AK47 7.62mm one is accurate one has greater range. Take away everything else i mentioned including the LMG and i asked how do you manage to see who the hell is shooting. And if you do where is the big advantage you would expect against a 50 dollar weapon system made by some local afghan gunsmith.
I just wanted to know what they had to play with as the BA Website does not tell you much about target finding just the usual small arms kit info.
SA80 5.56mm AK47 7.62mm one is accurate one has greater range. Take away everything else i mentioned including the LMG and i asked how do you manage to see who the hell is shooting. And if you do where is the big advantage you would expect against a 50 dollar weapon system made by some local afghan gunsmith.
I just wanted to know what they had to play with as the BA Website does not tell you much about target finding just the usual small arms kit info.
Rofflay, to put it simply. Would you rather a rifle with a 4 x zoom in the case of the ACOG or 0 x with iron sights?
A pair of binos will take you way past 4 x. Its all well and good being able to see something with a pair or binos. Giving good target indications to someone with a pair of iron sights would help, but actually making well aimed shots at that target? A different story.
This is not iron sights but you get the idea.
Same target viewed through an ACOG at 4 x
A pair of binos will take you way past 4 x. Its all well and good being able to see something with a pair or binos. Giving good target indications to someone with a pair of iron sights would help, but actually making well aimed shots at that target? A different story.
This is not iron sights but you get the idea.
Same target viewed through an ACOG at 4 x
Rofflay, to put it simply. Would you rather a rifle with a 4 x zoom in the case of the ACOG or 0 x with iron sights?
A pair of binos will take you way past 4 x. Its all well and good being able to see something with a pair or binos. Giving good target indications to someone with a pair of iron sights would help, but actually making well aimed shots at that target? A different story.
This is not iron sights but you get the idea.
Same target viewed through an ACOG at 4 x
Thanks 4x magnification is nice but the other guy can still attach magnification to his AK as well which would be better suited as its got a longer effective distance. Are they going to persist with 5.56 SA80 family then? It seems most of the stuff i expected them to carry is under some FIST programme due 2015-2020?
It seems to have everything i was wondering about like Laser range finder, Better scopes which can link with helm camera to fire around corners. And the line of sight soldier to soldier comm system looks pretty awesome also. Direct images from overhead UAV was also on the website as a feature which sounded amazing. Is this all still planned then? And will the SA80 stay in FIST?
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He does appear to be off his head.
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Not really no. You'll find many in supply are colour blind as it's one of the trades open to those with limited colour perception. The only things that would be an issue are getting a permit to drive on an airfield, and workings he aviation fuels aspect of the trade. Although as fuels ***** are all smelly and generally on the lower end of the brain power curve I wouldn't worry.
Working on a flying squadron is the best job in the trade (in my opinion/experience at least) and my most enjoyable years were doing just that.
One caveat I'll add is that as soon as I left the RAF (2 years now, wow) I started digging my way out of the logistics world (I left the RAF and went straight to BAE Systems) and switched to the aircraft engineering side of things at the first opportunity. Although that's not to say I didn't enjoy my time, but I was always overqualified for the trade, never really felt challenged, and only ended up in it as "it was the only trade open" when I couldn't go Avionics Tech due to my colour vision.
My advice, don't believe a word the recruiters tell you.
im in the same boat, passed for avionics tech electrical but ended up colourblind cp4
only trade open is the logistics supplier but i do like that trade too
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5.56 has advantages, it's light, you can carry lots of them. It's recoil is low and easier to control in automatic situations. There's a good chance that 5.56 will just really hurt your enemy, which will make 2 of his friends have to carry him away and then he will put a strain on your enemies med chain - if he were dead they'd just be a man down. We rarely fire in auto modes, aimed shots work better. I would expect to always hit out to 200m and most of the time at 300m, 400m is getting a bit far.
7.62 is a bigger round but AK's fire a short round so its velocity isn't that great, its not so good in auto - which is unfortunate as badly trained armies like automatic fire. Ak users would expect to hit at 50-100m, not so much any further out.
Locating a target in reality is difficult, any enemy worth his salt will attempt to hide his firing position, if you are especially alert you might have an idea where he is from the gunshot noise, or you may see muzzle flash but there is a good chance that you will have no idea. You could get him to fire again, perhaps by moving again and giving him a target that he fires at again, hopefully someone in the section will see the muzzle flash, movement, smoke or locate the noise.
Having located the enemy you can try to suppress him, this involves firing at him enough to stop him being able to fire back at you effectively, sounds easy
but if he's in a prepared position and you are not he has the advantage, he may well suppress you. It doesn't need to take every man firing continuously to suppress the enemy and if you are all firing as quick as possible you are very quickly going to run out of ammo.
Once you have suppressed the enemy you can approach his position and assault it and destroy your target. Well thats the theory.
So apparently this is supposed to happen:
You locate the enemy
You win the fire fight and suppress him
You assault him
In reality your opponent wont be found easily, he wont want to be suppressed and will try to prevent you approaching and assaulting him, he will try to kill your soldiers as they do this and he may well succeed.
So whats the best thing to do? Destroy the position with what ever overwhelming firepower you have, why risk your soldiers life when a weapon system can remove the risk. Soldiers accept that death is a possibility but I have never felt that the army took risks with my life when there was a better safer alternative.
War is a long way from COD and BF4, and it's mostly boring.
7.62 is a bigger round but AK's fire a short round so its velocity isn't that great, its not so good in auto - which is unfortunate as badly trained armies like automatic fire. Ak users would expect to hit at 50-100m, not so much any further out.
Locating a target in reality is difficult, any enemy worth his salt will attempt to hide his firing position, if you are especially alert you might have an idea where he is from the gunshot noise, or you may see muzzle flash but there is a good chance that you will have no idea. You could get him to fire again, perhaps by moving again and giving him a target that he fires at again, hopefully someone in the section will see the muzzle flash, movement, smoke or locate the noise.
Having located the enemy you can try to suppress him, this involves firing at him enough to stop him being able to fire back at you effectively, sounds easy
but if he's in a prepared position and you are not he has the advantage, he may well suppress you. It doesn't need to take every man firing continuously to suppress the enemy and if you are all firing as quick as possible you are very quickly going to run out of ammo.
Once you have suppressed the enemy you can approach his position and assault it and destroy your target. Well thats the theory.
So apparently this is supposed to happen:
You locate the enemy
You win the fire fight and suppress him
You assault him
In reality your opponent wont be found easily, he wont want to be suppressed and will try to prevent you approaching and assaulting him, he will try to kill your soldiers as they do this and he may well succeed.
So whats the best thing to do? Destroy the position with what ever overwhelming firepower you have, why risk your soldiers life when a weapon system can remove the risk. Soldiers accept that death is a possibility but I have never felt that the army took risks with my life when there was a better safer alternative.
War is a long way from COD and BF4, and it's mostly boring.