British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19
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Yep, I remember those days as well. I think now the FIA have banned team orders regarding letting a team driver to pass on win, has now cause a storm if there is a hint of this going on. The USA crowd do not like team fixing and if F1 is to be viewed around the world then it needs to be seen to be a fair racing for all. Us Brits always like the under dog to do well.
Also the stupid amount of money in F1 needs to be realised to a sensible level.
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Did you guys see Top Gear with Barrichello?
They also talked about his team order at the A1 ring years ago, Barrichello said he did not want to do it but almost had to do it in the end due to pressure form Ferrari, he didn't say what the pressure was though but it was enough for him to let Schumi by just before the line.
They also talked about his team order at the A1 ring years ago, Barrichello said he did not want to do it but almost had to do it in the end due to pressure form Ferrari, he didn't say what the pressure was though but it was enough for him to let Schumi by just before the line.
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lol @ Helmut Marko spouting crap again. A conspiracy against Vettel, seriously? What an idiot.
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I did see Top Gear with Barrichello, and I agree he did not go in to any details on camera what the pressure from Ferrari was !
If I remember Schumy offered him the No1 podium at the when being presented with the trophy's.
Schumy did look very uneasy and embarrassed by the whole affair.
Just goes to show that not all drivers, even the beneficiary of such team orders are happy about it !
If I remember Schumy offered him the No1 podium at the when being presented with the trophy's.
Schumy did look very uneasy and embarrassed by the whole affair.
Just goes to show that not all drivers, even the beneficiary of such team orders are happy about it !
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SilverStone Race edit is up http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits.html
I was not aware that the USA public feel so strongly about team orders. My own feeling is that teams should do whatever they feel necessary.
In other team sports, football for instance: if a particular striker is continually given preference over another, then this is all part of the decision taken by the manager. The public simply have to put up with it, OR create enough of a furore so the manager gets sacked.
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Yeah the first race at Singapore it was. Was it Rosberg?
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Was Webber I think, went round the outside of Alonso, then had to let Glock back passed as well.
Im not entirely sure although it was indeed the first Singapore GP. In other news HRT are keeping Yamamoto on for the German GP although this time is Chandhok being moved aside.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8829258.stm
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Rubens being made to pull over almost killed F1 in the states.
That doesn't stand up to comparison, the comparison would be if the striker was intentionally told to miss goals so the other striker looked better. You are intentionally asking a driver to not win or move over. I would have little problem with this if betting wasn't involved.
Like when Mclaren pulled up DC there was an outcry, understandable too if you had money on DC to win and they pulled DC up because they happened to shag up Mikas pitstop (what an excuse).
Its like having two horses in the same stable an intentionally making one lose, you would never be allowed to race again for a long time if found guilty. F1 should be no different.
Not when the championship was at stake but If I had money on mansell or senna I'd be mighty ****ed.
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The Piranha Club is Formula One. Supposedly when Schumacher was 'poached' from Jordan to Benetton Ron Dennis told Eddie "Welcome to the Piranha Club", though I believe the origins of the term go back before that.
dannyjo22 said:
As far as the US goes, what happened at Indy in '02 upset them far more than Austria '02. The formation finish debacle upset more than a few race fans.
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Its not over yet. Ferrari are now telling a slightly different story. Who would have thought that?
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=41460
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If it was any other team than Ferrari, I'm sure there would be less cynicism regarding this. It's not as if the stewards don't have form for being less than prompt in answering queries from teams in a straight and clear manner - they do, and Ferrari have been caught out on occasion by it as well ('98 Silverstone springs to mind, only that one ended well for Ferrari and the stewards took all the blame for it).
Doesn't change the fact that Alonso ought to have known he should give the place back, mind.
I don't understand Ferrari's complaints to be honest. Whiting is not one of the official stewards, he can only offer his opinion, he cannot dish out punishments or supercede the Steward's authority. The teams know how this works, so I don't understand how they are surprised by this.
Whiting made it clear that it was his opinion that Alonso should let Kubica back past. That's all Whiting could do and Ferrari should have taken the advice. Asked by Ferrari if it was a formal decision, the only answer that could possibly come back was no, as you can't come to a formal decision without the stewards inquiry. Instead of letting Kubica back past they continued to argue their point and say that there were more cars between them, but surely knew full well that this does not change the decision. How much of a lead you have developed doesn't change the ruling on an illegal pass..
Whiting made it clear that it was his opinion that Alonso should let Kubica back past. That's all Whiting could do and Ferrari should have taken the advice. Asked by Ferrari if it was a formal decision, the only answer that could possibly come back was no, as you can't come to a formal decision without the stewards inquiry. Instead of letting Kubica back past they continued to argue their point and say that there were more cars between them, but surely knew full well that this does not change the decision. How much of a lead you have developed doesn't change the ruling on an illegal pass..