British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19

the best thing about the drive through was when hamilton got one last race it did not affect his position, this race alonso gets one and it puts him to last place :P
 
LOL Ferrari are a comedy goldmine at the moment, I hope they pick up though just to make the second half of the season more interesting.
 
utajoker said:
the best thing about the drive through was when hamilton got one last race it did not affect his position, this race alonso gets one and it puts him to last place :P
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Its true. This is what angered Alonso at the time. I think after he saw video footage and realised that even if Hamilton floored it, Alonso would never had got passed the safety car, so his race position would not have been altered. In otherwords, his race wasnt actually compromised by Hamilton.

The truth is that Alonso has always had distrust of those around him. He always believes that everybody (including his own team), are again him winning races/WDC. He has had this attitude while at Renault and at McLaren. Its just his personality and as such the team who hire him, have to accept that he is like that. The fact that he is intimating that the FIA/Stewards are doing their best to compromise his season, does not surprise me at all.
 
xen_ said:
LOL Ferrari are a comedy goldmine at the moment, I hope they pick up though just to make the second half of the season more interesting.
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I think they will pick it up.

If you looked at the first 4 races, Hamilton was the star man (behind Button). He was charging through the field like a crazed animal, but circumstances beyond his control prevented him from winning. It was only a matter of time, till we saw him winning. Exactly the same applies to Alonso - he now has a decent car and I can't see him continuing to have the bad luck he has had in the last 2 races.
 
sunama said:
I think they will pick it up.

If you looked at the first 4 races, Hamilton was the star man (behind Button). He was charging through the field like a crazed animal, but circumstances beyond his control prevented him from winning. It was only a matter of time, till we saw him winning. Exactly the same applies to Alonso - he now has a decent car and I can't see him continuing to have the bad luck he has had in the last 2 races.
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I do think it's likely that he will win at least another race this season, but I don't think your comparison with Hamilton is right really, the circumstances preventing Alonso from winning so far has been his own mistakes, which is odd as this many errors is rather uncharacteristic for Alonso.
 
elmuzzy66. said:
Don't know if its been mentioned but straight after alonso's move on kubica, Charlie Whiting told ferrari that they should give the position back, three times. It looks like they got what they deserved.
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It seems Ferrari are not in favour now with Berni's organisation !
And would Alonso not have kicked up a storm if Kubica had cut a corner on him and not given the position back !
I think Ferrari now have to play the real game like every one else now.
 
Alonso shouldn't really need someone to tell him or their team to give the place back, it was obvious he had to. Someone of his skill and experience should have given it back then prepared for another overtake right away.
 
Tysonator said:
It seems Ferrari are not in favour now with Berni's organisation!
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In fairness, I think Alonso has just been really unlucky. Hamilton served a penalty in the previous race, yet when Alonso did the same thing in the last race, when combined with a safety car, he was dropped right down the field. This was plain unlucky.

In the previous race, he was whisker away from being able to overtake the safety car and not lose out so heavily when the safety car came out. Again, this was just bad luck. Hamilton barely made it past the safety car.

Tysonator said:
And would Alonso not have kicked up a storm if Kubica had cut a corner on him and not given the position back !
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Absolutely. He would've probably asked Kubica to be banned and for him, his family and everybody he ever knew to be wiped off the face of the planet. Remember what happened when Hamilton managed to pass the safety car in the previous race?

Tysonator said:
I think Ferrari now have to play the real game like every one else now.
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Don't speak too soon. I think normal service shall be resumed shortly. Remember, it was only a few races ago, when Alonso was gifted an extra point at Monaco. Like I said, Alonso has been really unlucky with the Safety Car during the last 2 races and it couldnt have worked out worse for him.
 
Tysonator said:
It seems Ferrari are not in favour now with Berni's organisation !
And would Alonso not have kicked up a storm if Kubica had cut a corner on him and not given the position back !
I think Ferrari now have to play the real game like every one else now.
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Last time I checled, Charlie Whiting worked for the FIA. "Berni", by which you were presumably referring to one Bernard Charles Ecclestone, runs FOM. They are not the same thing.

Duke said:
Alonso shouldn't really need someone to tell him or their team to give the place back, it was obvious he had to. Someone of his skill and experience should have given it back then prepared for another overtake right away.
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This. The 'most complete driver in F1' (if you believe sunama) really ought to have known better.

Autosport seemed to have a different take on the whole thing, mind. They seemed to be saying that Alonso asked the team if he should give the place back, the team then went to Charlie to ask, but by the time they got an answer Alonso had already passed another car and Kubica was just about to pull out with a broken car. Now, Charlie and the race stewards do have form for not being entirely prompt with answering queries from teams....

Personally, I don't think it happened like that. And even if it did then Alonso (remember, the most complete driver in F1!) should have known the score. It's not as if it's a new rule, or even Bull**** Made-Up Rule Du Jour To Try And Make F1 A Laughing Stock™. It's clear - you cut a corner and advance a position (or retain one that you were certain to lose), you get penalised.
 
JRS said:
This. The 'most complete driver in F1' (if you believe sunama) really ought to have known better.
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The most complete driver, currently in F1, alongside Hamilton.

Also, note that the most complete driver in F1, is not infalliable. This means that this driver will take (calculated) risks. In general, he will be better at judging these risks than lesser drivers, but the fact remains, these types of judgement calls are risky.

On the day, it went against him and more importantly, a safety car was called out just as he was set to take his penalty. By the time he completed his penalty, the field was bunched up together and most of the cars went past him (while he was in the pitlane).

It wasn't necessarily the penalty itself that hurt him, it was the fact that there was a safety car involved, as well.

In contrast, in the previous GP, Hamilton also served a penalty, however, as there was no safety car, he was able to enter the pitlane, and leave it, before another car went by.

It was just bad luck. Plain and simple.
 
Alonso knew he had to give the postion back even if he was force off the track as he claims. If the corner was graval or a wall hw would not have cut it all !
simple really, he chance his luck and did not pay of.
The 2 brits LH & JB are putting up a fairly good performance even though they do not have the fastest cars on the track.

I do feel for Webber over the whole Unofficial favourite driver.
I would have liked Vettel to have kept in the race at the beginning to see who is the better driver !
However, now Webber has more points will he be the unofficial favoured driver, and how will Vettel handle that situation.
As it seems that Germans do not like playing the fair game !
 
If RBR have chosen Vettel to be their lead driver, why is Vettel the one who is copping the flack over it?

It is clear that Webber has been told in no uncertain terms that he is No.2, but by going on the radio and making this clear, he is showing unprofessionalism.

In life,we all have to accept our place in society, in our households, in our places of work. Not all of us can be No.1 - not all of us can be king of the household or the manager of a department. And as the saying goes, if you are unhappy, look for another job, or in Webber's case, another team. I'm sure that teams like Virgin, HRT or the other back-of-the-grid teams will be happy to have him.

At the end of the day, RBR have the right to choose who they want to win in their cars. If they feel the need to avoid what happened to McLaren in 2007, where both their drivers took points off of eachother and ended up in joint 2nd place, 1 point away from Kimi (you couldn't make that up), then this is their prerogative.

If I was putting a team together, I would definitely have a No1/No2 system - a strategy which worked well for Bennetton (MS), McLaren (Hakkinen), Ferrari (MS), etc. Its a tried and tested method and you would have to be mad to not use a proven & tested strategy.
 
I think the problem with Webber is that the drivers were not employed as No.1 & 2 as that is reflected in the salary.
If RBR are going down that path then let the media know about so there will be a short attention period on that staory and then the media will move on.
Webber was clearly upset about being No.2 and he was up set for being blame initially for the 2 of RBR cars coming together. Even though the opinion of other race drivers, commentators was different to the RBR team management.
Perhaps No.1 & 2 driver may work for RBR, then if thats is the case just announce and be done with.
 
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