British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19
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What I want to know is where is all the outrage? People are disappointed, slightly surprised, they feel sorry for Webber, but that's about it. When Ferrari did it at Austria in '02, there were calls for pretty much every punishment short of sticking them in front of the firing squad....
Or Hamilton is going to Ferrari
Alonso has said he will work with Hamilton, just not under Ron.
TBH Mark's rebellious attitude may mean Hamiltons of to RB.
Indeed, and rightly so, he is the best driver of the 2 in the best packaged car.
In the briefing they where told it would be met by penalties.
It seems like a ***** up on track design. What would a stop and go penalty receive.
Would you think like that if you were mid corner and some driver spun you out?
My bet is you would want his head on a spike at the end of the pitlane
Had it happen to me, I just got on with it to be honest. The guy apologised later and there were no hard feelings. Mistakes happen; whilst there are times when it may be necessary to apply some kind of penalty, the Schumacher incident was certainly not one of those, in my opinion.
Plenty of similar incidences with no penalty.
As for saying consistency, they should have a sit down and look at all the incidents and decide which are ok and which aren't. Say the last two seasons. Fia, stewards, drivers and team principles. Then make a public announcement and go from there. As I would say there isn't constancy anyway and it's just harming the sport.
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If he does lose this year by the margin we're talking about, I'll hold my hands up and say that you were right. But if he carries on and wins it at a canter, or collapses completely and loses it by miles, I reserve the right to point back to this with open derision
Well I'd put money on you being right. I do realise it's incredibly unlikely that he'll need the points but from RB's perspective it's probably better safe then sorry. Surely this isn't the worst thing they've done to Webber anyway. I'd probably be more annoyed about taking parts off Webber's car because Vettel wrecked his?
Yeah, the FIA picked up on this. With the finish line at the start of the straight, going through the pits was a much shorter route to the finish on the last lap than going around Club.
Again, it could have been much better communicated by the FIA. They could have stated before the race that due to the length of the pitlane a drive through would be upped to a stop go.
And as for the penalties, come on guys, why are we always surprised at the FIAs inconsistency? It happens every race, we should just get used to it. You win some, you loose some, or you just get a Platinum Card like Lewis (I proper lol'ed when he said that in his interview!).
Not surprised just annoyed like usual.
Also after watching senna last night nothings changed. Still as bad as they ever where. I can't remember his early career so was very nice to see that. I can remember the early 90s though.
And the cars were sweet back then. Such simple aero, huge tyres and huge engines. Why can't we have simple aero. Only one straight plank for front and rear wing, with no other winglets or fins.
Oh and the film was amazing and if you can't remember that era, it's still a must watch.
Also after watching senna last night nothings changed. Still as bad as they ever where. I can't remember his early career so was very nice to see that. I can remember the early 90s though.
And the cars were sweet back then. Such simple aero, huge tyres and huge engines. Why can't we have simple aero. Only one straight plank for front and rear wing, with no other winglets or fins.
Oh and the film was amazing and if you can't remember that era, it's still a must watch.
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I want to say something like "because it's about the technology, about being allowed to innovate and create the best possible cars", but looking at how restrictive the technical regulations are, I feel that it would be somewhat invalid.
True. It still winds us up regardless of how often it happens.
I want to say something like "because it's about the technology, about being allowed to innovate and create the best possible cars", but looking at how restrictive the technical regulations are, I feel that it would be somewhat invalid.
From what it looks like, the 2013 regulations (although, with the postponement of the engine rules, expect them to be the 2014 regs) are going towards simplified aerodynamics. Unfortunately they have ditched ground effect, but front and rear wings will become simpler and smaller.
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Eh, Massa rammed into Hamilton, Hamilton was ahead, going into the corner, and went on the inside, Massa decided to massively outbreak himself on the outside, then when Hamilton was already there, turned in on him, Hamilton WAS breaking, he couldn't have gone further over, Massa should have gone VERY wide or even off, actually suprising and entertaining that Massa tried to make the move stick.
Anyway with fuel and racing not being about saving fuel, meh, finishing with as little fuel as possible is one thing, putting in , purposefully, less fuel than you need to finish the race at race pace, and hoping for a safety car, or a few more wet laps, etc, etc, is ridiculous and should be stopped, somehow. Thing is people will make mistakes and that shouldn't really be punished, not really sure as I've not really thought about it, how you would go about imposing the rules.
Have everyone do a test day on the same circuit at a given pace, all the same, and test how much fuel weight the car loses over say 20 laps, then calculate a distance per kg of fuel for each car, and then work out fuel for each race that the car must have on board, really don't know, would be very hard and efficiency improvements in the year, or things that use more fuel would mean the numbers weren't accurate.
Its just a shame we saw fastest guy on the track Lewis, turn into barely holds onto 4th in awful pace Lewis purely down to being underfueled. The speed you need to go to save fuel was clearly a worse drop than 5 extra laps worth of fuel would have made.
As for Button in an easy 3rd without the tyre problems, am I missing the part where he was faster than Alonso, Hamilton Vettel or Webber in the race, at basically any stage(aside from new tyres). Button was fighting with Massa before the issue, and I think would have been 5th at best, if not 6th, depending on how they fueled Button's car.