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Yup, was an unnecessary penalty. Aren't the FIA supposed to be encouraging overtaking
They just seem to want an automatic pass button that involves no contact i.e. DRS.
British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19
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Yup, was an unnecessary penalty. Aren't the FIA supposed to be encouraging overtaking
They just seem to want an automatic pass button that involves no contact i.e. DRS.
Most places talk of "pit stop loss" as between 20 and 25 seconds. If a pitstop at Silverstone looses you only 14 then it makes sense to bump that up to 24 with a 10 second stop go.
I fully understand the use of a stop/go in place of a drive through due to the layout of the pits. However, the specific use of that penalty against Schumacher was harsh. He had suffered enough running half a lap with no wing and making an extended stop.
I fully understand the use of a stop/go in place of a drive through due to the layout of the pits. However, the specific use of that penalty against Schumacher was harsh. He had suffered enough running half a lap with no wing and making an extended stop.
Look back to Canada 2010 when Webber was 25secs in front did they bring him in NO
they left him out till they knew vettel was ok for 4th place if they would have brought him in he would have finished 4th vettel would have been 5th.
And webbers start on sunday looked as if the team had told him to let vettel through..
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Just... lol.
Next you will be telling us that Vettels pit stop 'error' was actually a deliberate attempt to slow Webber down, but they got the guns mixed up and accidentally had the 'issue' on Vettels stop.
I'm just going to quote this one in isolation for its pure comedy conspiracy gold.
Why do you double post a lot...use the edit button..it's not hard to find
But there again your eyes are a bit misty when it come to seeing the obvious
Why do you double post a lot...use the edit button..it's not hard to find
But there again your eyes are a bit misty when it come to seeing the obvious
Busy falling off my chair, tbh, and I like my signature.
Please explain what 'obvious' points I have failed to see however?
tinfoil hat? i doubt they could give webber any disadvantage and is it even possible for vettel to be in a higher performance mode off the line to give him an edge?Why do you double post a lot...use the edit button..it's not hard to find
But there again your eyes are a bit misty when it come to seeing the obvious
I think deuse is trying to suggest that Webber 'faked' his poor start on purpose to allow Vettel to take the lead as that is what he was told to do by Red Bull.
He will be telling us that Horner cut the air line to Buttons wheel gun next, or that Red Bull secretly syphoned fuel out of Lewis' car just before the start of the race, or that Schumacher's accident was actually caused by oil dropped out of the cockpit by Vettel to try to make Webber crash.
He will be telling us that Horner cut the air line to Buttons wheel gun next, or that Red Bull secretly syphoned fuel out of Lewis' car just before the start of the race, or that Schumacher's accident was actually caused by oil dropped out of the cockpit by Vettel to try to make Webber crash.
I was keeping an eye on the driver tracker and Button was gaining on the hamilton / vettel / webber train and had clearly left Massa behind.
Hamilton was holding up Vettel, Webber had dropped back a few seconds but he may have just been saving his tyres.
All things being equal I'd have expected Button to catch Hamilton before the end but I doubt he'd have got past or have the speed to catch the red bulls. Of course you can't know what the last set of tyres would have done for that comparison.
Can't remember where I read it, probably on twitter. But it was meant to be a lot better. Possibly due to slower initial laps.
He actually said himself talking to the BBC he was a lot slower in the start of the race and so didn't seem to have any fuel problems later on.
Starting higher, they might have expected Button's pace to be better than Hamilton's. I expect Button had enough fuel, Hamilton was short as from 10th he wasn't expect to be as fast in the race as he was.
I wasn't happy to see Schumacher's stop/go, I think the stewards are a bit too trigger happy with the penalties these days. A few years ago, I doubt an incident like that would have been punished at all.
Drivers asked for more severe penaltys though, I do think they're getting silly lately, it's hardly worth a risk in a tight overtake now since a slight touch will result in an investigation possibly leading to a drive through etc
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Last time anyone cut a line was Ron Dennis (when he cut Eddie Jordan's headphone cable) 
Why aren't Team Orders banned?
Formula 1 is a spectator driven sport, without us it wouldn't exist, and yet they seem to implement these rules which we (the spectator) do not want.
Where's the logic in that.
I also feel sorry for Mark, if Seb isn't getting preferential treatment within the RB team then someone (Horner?) is doing a ridiculous job in not showing that.
The conspiracy theorists amongst us are starting to make more sense than I had ever envisaged would be possible, taking last year and this year into consideration.
Formula 1 is a spectator driven sport, without us it wouldn't exist, and yet they seem to implement these rules which we (the spectator) do not want.
Where's the logic in that.
I also feel sorry for Mark, if Seb isn't getting preferential treatment within the RB team then someone (Horner?) is doing a ridiculous job in not showing that.
The conspiracy theorists amongst us are starting to make more sense than I had ever envisaged would be possible, taking last year and this year into consideration.
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Banned this year because they're not enforceable.
Team orders are all well and good, when the result actually matters. But on this occasion....like I said earlier, if Vettel does lose out this year by less than the three points that he'd have lost dropping to 3rd this time out then I'll hold my hands up and say well done, correct decision made. But somehow, I don't think it'll be all that close....