Vettel proved he's quick even in a slow car tonight on TGSeems a thoroughly decent and down to earth bloke too.
Hate to say it, really liked him
Very funny and nice guy
British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19
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Hate to say it, really liked him
Very funny and nice guy
I think the problem people have with him is that he has basically lucked out with the RBR car and it seems that if it wasn't for the car, he wouldn't be challenging for the title.
Now, you can say that it's always down to the car (JB's world championship for instance) but this is where the big difference lies: JB showed in Canada that he can battle from the back of the grid and get a win; Hamilton showed today (and countless other times) that he can come from behind and get results, the same for Alonso and the same for Schumacher.
Vettel has never shown us that kind of drive. Ok, it's not his fault he's usually leading from the front but on the few occasions where he hasn't gone from lights to flag on pole, he's not really shown any of that 'stuff' that makes a great champion.
I don't think anyone will deny that he's done a great job getting his first championship (and likely his second this season) but you do get the impression that if Hamilton or Alonso were in that RBR they would be running away with it and if Vettel was in the Ferrari or McLaren he wouldn't be doing as well as them.
Now this might all be ****** but whether there's truth in it or not, it's the reason why there's quite a bit of 'Vettel hate'.
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Oh I don't doubt the kid can drive
. He's put in some stonking Qually laps!It's just he's never really done much actual racing... overtaking and the like. Vettel seems to win races by putting in a stonking lap on saturday, and then just leading pole to finish. Whereas in Canada Button came through to win from the very back - overtook every car.
Oh I don't doubt the kid can drive
It's just he's never really done much actual racing... overtaking and the like. Vettel seems to win races by putting in a stonking lap on saturday, and then just leading pole to finish. Whereas in Canada Button came through to win from the very back - overtook every car.
Thats fair enough, but some of the comments in this forum lately are so bitter .. its like, they wouldn't even spit on him to put a fire out, if you get what i mean.
Regarding 'lucking out' or winning due to qually only, everyone used to say the same about Alonso .. look at him now.
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Also, i dont agree that he's never shown fight, or ability to overtake like Lewis et al.
His fight, skill and ability to overtake at Toro Rosso was what made everyone label him a future WDC in the first place.
Have Vettel and Webber ever given off the impression that they posess the ability to pass each other on track without crashing into each other?
No.
They were crashing into each other before they were in the same team and they have done it now they are. Horner did the right thing.
If they had a long history of close tight racing then maybe Horner would have made a different call. Fact is, they don't, and I expect his split second though was "oh god, there going to take each other off!" and so he jumped on the radio to stop them.
No.
They were crashing into each other before they were in the same team and they have done it now they are. Horner did the right thing.
If they had a long history of close tight racing then maybe Horner would have made a different call. Fact is, they don't, and I expect his split second though was "oh god, there going to take each other off!" and so he jumped on the radio to stop them.
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Shattered!!! In the end we stood at the bridge on Wellington Straight (on the side where the cars enter Luffield)...
The last two years I've sat at Maggots/ Becketts but this year wanted to try a different spot and the difference in sound at that bridge on Wellington is unbelievable.
My ears actually felt like they were bleeding, what's really weird is that when the cars went past, I had the roar of the engines go through my brain and then in my right ear a crackling noise (similar to when you have a plug half in a socket or plug in the power lead to your PC and you hear that "fzzd" sound.
That was a surreal and very new experience for my ears. Very strange, as if my ears were telling me they couldn't take anymore than that kind of volume. No wonder 70 percent of the people around us had ear plugs.
Really enjoyed the day, was a shame Jenson DNF'd and that Alonso won. I don't know if it's just me but I'm ALMOST starting to like Alonso though, he seems to have changed a bit don't you think, his demenour is a lot happier and more laid back than previous years and he doesn't seem to whinge anymore. Fair play to him for beating Vettel anyway - that's a refreshing result in itself.
Sat/ standing where we were we got to see lots of overtaking, as well as me cursing Lewis when he was side by side with Jenson !!!
Got all of the race recorded so looking forward to watching it tomorrow and the forum if its on iplayer.
Looking forward to our road trip to Spa now!
Shattered!!! In the end we stood at the bridge on Wellington Straight (on the side where the cars enter Luffield)...
The last two years I've sat at Maggots/ Becketts but this year wanted to try a different spot and the difference in sound at that bridge on Wellington is unbelievable.
My ears actually felt like they were bleeding, what's really weird is that when the cars went past, I had the roar of the engines go through my brain and then in my right ear a crackling noise (similar to when you have a plug half in a socket or plug in the power lead to your PC and you hear that "fzzd" sound.
That was a surreal and very new experience for my ears. Very strange, as if my ears were telling me they couldn't take anymore than that kind of volume. No wonder 70 percent of the people around us had ear plugs.
Really enjoyed the day, was a shame Jenson DNF'd and that Alonso won. I don't know if it's just me but I'm ALMOST starting to like Alonso though, he seems to have changed a bit don't you think, his demenour is a lot happier and more laid back than previous years and he doesn't seem to whinge anymore. Fair play to him for beating Vettel anyway - that's a refreshing result in itself.
Sat/ standing where we were we got to see lots of overtaking, as well as me cursing Lewis when he was side by side with Jenson !!!
Got all of the race recorded so looking forward to watching it tomorrow and the forum if its on iplayer.
Looking forward to our road trip to Spa now!
He would have. He would have told them to hold position.
And there's the argument. I believe Horner would have told Webber to let Vettel pass, at this stage of the season.
Why? Its not like he needs the points, and he definately doesn't need the bad press, or Webber throwing his toys out of the pram.
There is no way Horner would have swapped them around. People are just saying that he would to build up an argument. Fact is, Horner was not concerned about their order, he was concerned with them finishing. He even said after the race it was a call he made because he wanted 33 points for the team, not zero points.
Vettel proved he's quick even in a slow car tonight on TG
Did he post the fastest time? Didn't bother watching TG for some reason.
Vettel proved he's quick even in a slow car tonight on TG
He did come across well in that interview, my gf said it was a shame as she didnt want to like him!
Yeh he did, 1min 44 I think it was.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why Ferrari, well, Alonso was soo fast right after Hamilton made his pit stop, every else but Ferarri switching to low fuel mode. Maybe everyone else wanted to save lap times with less fuel as they weren't burning so much during corners, while Ferrari weren't doing that much before. A case of everyone else just having not perfect fuel usage data yet or something stupidly simple like that?
I think people are saying that Vettel had no answer to Alonso, I really would have liked to see him get past Hamilton and not pit early. Basically Hamilton(while doing a great job and I think already saving fuel) helped Alonso get a large lead so even when Vettel pitted, got in clear air he really wasn't close enough to make a real challenge, had he been a few seconds behind, with similar tyres, maybe, but the gap was what, 12 seconds when he pitted or something. At that point he was racing for 2nd, and maybe/probably saving fuel aswell?
Meh, I'd like ot see fuel saving banned, one engine mode for the race, that way everyone fuels the same(or the required amount for their car. I don't like this underfueling and then getting lucky by saving fuel behind a safety car while burning ahead at other times.
Maybe just me but I wanted to see the red bulls(who we always hear are saving fuel at various points) and Hamilton just race, at full speed, to the end, crazy me.
While they told him on the radio that fuel needing saving on lap 44, they told him it wasn't working and he'd have to slow down. That sounded to me like he'd already started fuel saving, but had to take it even further as they'd probably miscalculated and not put enough in. I think Ferrari were the only car fueled properly and able to race start to finish.
The thing is, if Vettel/Hamilton were fueled to just go for it, they'd have been a little slower earlier, but probably much faster later.
Anyway, great drive from Hamilton, rubbish from Button again, sure the tyre was ridiculous. Out of interest, would it have been illegal for a mechanic to run down with a the wheel nut and a wrench and stick it on, I'm assuming it would be but, would have been funny to see
Good from Alonso, but other than pace, did he really do any overtaking, all in the pits, or Hamilton who both seemed to drop pace significantly and tyres gone, it wasn't really difficult and up till then Hamilton had him at bay pretty easily.
Shame for Schumy, penalty VERY harsh, good pace, good overtakes, him and Hamilton were the best racers on the day.
I think people are saying that Vettel had no answer to Alonso, I really would have liked to see him get past Hamilton and not pit early. Basically Hamilton(while doing a great job and I think already saving fuel) helped Alonso get a large lead so even when Vettel pitted, got in clear air he really wasn't close enough to make a real challenge, had he been a few seconds behind, with similar tyres, maybe, but the gap was what, 12 seconds when he pitted or something. At that point he was racing for 2nd, and maybe/probably saving fuel aswell?
Meh, I'd like ot see fuel saving banned, one engine mode for the race, that way everyone fuels the same(or the required amount for their car. I don't like this underfueling and then getting lucky by saving fuel behind a safety car while burning ahead at other times.
Maybe just me but I wanted to see the red bulls(who we always hear are saving fuel at various points) and Hamilton just race, at full speed, to the end, crazy me.
While they told him on the radio that fuel needing saving on lap 44, they told him it wasn't working and he'd have to slow down. That sounded to me like he'd already started fuel saving, but had to take it even further as they'd probably miscalculated and not put enough in. I think Ferrari were the only car fueled properly and able to race start to finish.
The thing is, if Vettel/Hamilton were fueled to just go for it, they'd have been a little slower earlier, but probably much faster later.
Anyway, great drive from Hamilton, rubbish from Button again, sure the tyre was ridiculous. Out of interest, would it have been illegal for a mechanic to run down with a the wheel nut and a wrench and stick it on, I'm assuming it would be but, would have been funny to see
Good from Alonso, but other than pace, did he really do any overtaking, all in the pits, or Hamilton who both seemed to drop pace significantly and tyres gone, it wasn't really difficult and up till then Hamilton had him at bay pretty easily.
Shame for Schumy, penalty VERY harsh, good pace, good overtakes, him and Hamilton were the best racers on the day.
Im sorry for this statement, but motorsport is never about saving fuel.
To have the fastest, most talented drivers, the best engineered and fastest cars in the world UNABLE to RACE because of having to save fuel/tyres is an utter joke.
For that reason, F1 has become an absolute laughing stock for me. I still watch to marvel at the engineering side of the cars, but to have an ex world champ like Hamilton unable to compete because he has to cruise home is PATHETIC.
Its NOT racing, its NOT F1, and its quite frankly insulting to the race fans too.
The drivers and cars should be pushing every second of every race. The reason why you dont see so many cars go bang like they used to is literally because half of them are cruising around in some sort of fuel mode, or a reduced engine map to put less strain on the engine for the next race.
Its ludicrous. Someone needs to step the **** in and sort this crap out, however, F1 seems to be so far up its own arse, that it cant see the wood for the trees on these simple matters.
To have the fastest, most talented drivers, the best engineered and fastest cars in the world UNABLE to RACE because of having to save fuel/tyres is an utter joke.
For that reason, F1 has become an absolute laughing stock for me. I still watch to marvel at the engineering side of the cars, but to have an ex world champ like Hamilton unable to compete because he has to cruise home is PATHETIC.
Its NOT racing, its NOT F1, and its quite frankly insulting to the race fans too.
The drivers and cars should be pushing every second of every race. The reason why you dont see so many cars go bang like they used to is literally because half of them are cruising around in some sort of fuel mode, or a reduced engine map to put less strain on the engine for the next race.
Its ludicrous. Someone needs to step the **** in and sort this crap out, however, F1 seems to be so far up its own arse, that it cant see the wood for the trees on these simple matters.
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Where do you draw the line? They need to make the cars as fast as possible and when half a tank of fuel adds 2 seconds to your laptime, there is obvious savings to be made. The *entire field* has to do it otherwise they just won't be competitive.
The FIA could (and arguably should) stipulate the same fuel load for all cars, but that opens another minefield entirely, very similar to the bollocksed blown-diffuser rules at Silverstone; doing that would nacker some cars more than others.
You could only start to make things fair in that respect by making them all drive the same car, same engine, same tyres, same fuel loads etc like lower formulas but that isn't the point of F1.
Any man would therefore say, if you can find that line and draw it, you're more of a genius than Ross Brawn and Adrian Newey put together.
The FIA could (and arguably should) stipulate the same fuel load for all cars, but that opens another minefield entirely, very similar to the bollocksed blown-diffuser rules at Silverstone; doing that would nacker some cars more than others.
You could only start to make things fair in that respect by making them all drive the same car, same engine, same tyres, same fuel loads etc like lower formulas but that isn't the point of F1.
Any man would therefore say, if you can find that line and draw it, you're more of a genius than Ross Brawn and Adrian Newey put together.