Bruce Lee vs Modern Martial Arts
- Thread starter Mana
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It is ridiculous which was why I said I posted what I did in that context.
I do find it interesting though that you would want to measure him professionally as a fighter but would wish to limit him to the [professional] rules of the sport. Surely, that is not common sense. By limiting the argument to not would he win but would he win an MMA bout against a fighter specifically trained to fight in a modern MMA arena under modern MMA rules then you are introducing bias. I would wager GSP would not win a TK tournament - does not make him a bad fighter though. Some people are arguing would he win a streetfight, some would he win a fight under MMA rules, some are saying would he win something more like K1 rules. I don't think he'd win any of those tbh but you need to acknowledge the setting you wish to frame it by.
Especially when he admitted that Ali would destroy him and his fans that thought otherwise were stupid.
You realise there was no CGI back then ? his speed if nothing else was real.
Whenever there is not footage jumping to different angles like the movies then he's obviously really doing it.
maybe it wouldn't be much use in a fight unless your winning easily anyway but the power and speed is still there.
only "fights" he did was really early and cameras were poop back then
chuck norris for compare
looks just as dull but I guess they are fighting people at their skill level so don't take risks and the rules are strict
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Soldato
No one is denying Bruce Lee wasn't crazy quick, he was. He looked very good on film.
In the second video all I saw were two silhouettes wearing head guards and full body pads semi contact sparring.
The bottom video is point fight and can't really be compared to full contact continuous sports like Muay Thai, MMA and boxing.
In the second video all I saw were two silhouettes wearing head guards and full body pads semi contact sparring.
The bottom video is point fight and can't really be compared to full contact continuous sports like Muay Thai, MMA and boxing.
yea i was just posting the chuck norris one because it was the grand champion fight and it didn't exactly look exciting even though he was a known badass.
how someone looks in a tournament/sparring etc doesn't mean **** people like to make to much of them.
end of the day talented individual with a killer discipline that would likely have adapted as the competition did which leaves us where modern mma guys are
Not so sure on that, Bruce Lee was only slightly shorter (171 v 173), a little lighter on average but around 4-5kg heavier when he bulked up and they have as near identical reach as makes no odds. If Bruce Lee was around today and active in boxing I think Mayweather would do all he could to avoid facing him. (Obviously can't base it entirely on that).
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Soldato
Let me teach you something then. Chi Sao or "sticking hands". Term for the principle, and drills used for the development of automatic reflexes upon contact and the idea of "sticking" to the opponent. Although, in reality the intention is not to stick at all costs, but rather to protect your centerline while attacking your opponent's centerline so it becomes second nature.
In other words it's a training exercise. Duuuh.
Have you got an example of this working?
Soldato
I've clearly explained to you it's a training drill when you thought it was actual fight moves. It works as a training drill in Wing Chun, you know why, cos Wing Chun practitioners still use it. It's like asking can you show why punch bags/pads work. Dumb.
Wing Chun isn't about competitive fighting, it's about getting home safely, it's more about self defence that's why a lot of it is about blocking and countering. I never said Wing Chun would be effective style on its own in MMA. Anyway Bruce Lee himself progressed from WC and developed a new Martial Art which still incorporates some elements of WC.
Let's see what a couple of top people in UFC say about Mr. Lee and his martial arts.
Soldato
The key differences are that Bruce Lee was an actor.
Mayweather is a world class professional boxer, who's spent his entire life fighting the absolute best there is in a FULL contact (with the fists at least) combat sport. He would just slip and counter and KO Lee in an instant.
Honesty you lot are very much blurring film fantasy with reality. Honestly fella's you can't catch bullets with your teeth.
Caporegime
The actor side of him starred in movies yes.
But the side of him that opened Martial Arts school is not an actor. He didn't teach people how to fight on screen, he taught people how to fight. He didn't invent JKD for the movies. He wasn't trained by a fighting co-ordinator on a movie set growing up in Kawloon in Hong Kong.
Soldato
Did he teach/train Martial Arts or did he teach/train to fight? The 2 are worlds apart.
Caporegime
Point is, this is all hypothetical. Just as hypothetical for me to say Mayweather will have no chance because he boxing isn't a sport where you trained defending attacks from lower down. It is just as hypothetical to say Mayweather will win for certain.
We will never know.
We will never know.
Soldato
While you are correct we are comparing someone who has proven they can fight against someone who hasn't and as far as we know has never trained to fight.
For instance, if I had to put money on a fight between someone who had been boxing for a year and someone who has been training Karate for 10, I'd put my money on the boxer. (Assuming the Karate practitioner doesn't spar properly every day).
The odds are stacked against Lee but as you said, we'll never know.
Associate
If it was a no holds barred street fight, I think Bruce Lee would have as much chance (or more) of beating anyone as anyone else.
Not getting taken down and one punch to the throat (or any other vulnerability such as eyes) could win a fight easy, no?
Not getting taken down and one punch to the throat (or any other vulnerability such as eyes) could win a fight easy, no?
Man of Honour
Way before UFC and back in the 80s, style v style was called Bushido however there was always one winner who was a Sumo wrestler.
In every match he would take kicks/punches like a small child hitting me and then grab his opponent who would be unable to get out of his grip.
He'd then turn him around so the opponent was facing away and then the Sumo guy would fall backwards while slamming his opponents head into the ground and it worked every time.
10 internet pounds to anybody who can find out the name of the Sumo guy.