Bruce Lee vs Modern Martial Arts

lol at this topic! Bruce lee INVENTED MMA! He was literaly the first to take systems and blend them into one thus creating his own style. This being said i belive he would adapt and incorperate BJJ and wrestling into his own and destroy :D imo modern day mmas a load of ****e anyway all it is is bjj+wreslting+boxing+a tiny bit of muay thai. I'd rather watch a good boxing match, or a bjj match or somthing individual.
 
Something people have to understand about MMA....

You can use any style of Martial Art you like. There are no rules saying you have to use BJJ, wrestling, muay thai, boxing. The only reason these styles are used a lot more than anything else is because they actually work in a real life combat situation.

In the early UFC it was style vs style (MMA didn't exist in the sense it does nowadays). Everything barring fish hooking and eye gouging was legal. You could groin strike, throat strike, pressure points, whatever. The problem is (other than perhaps groin strikes) none of this works on a moving/attacking opponent. The guys that did well were BJJ, wrestling and Muay Thai practitioners. As these were discovered to be the most effective arts MMA evolved to encompass all of them.

I'm a fan of a lot of Traditional Martial arts, they're often great for fitness, they teach discipline and they can be a lot of fun. However, most of them don't work against a skilled fighter. If it did we would see it in MMA.
 
well bruce lee was interested in muay thai but I don't think he ever had any experience other than training with MT fighters. (he had his own gloves and pads)

Theres a qoute somewhere where BC talks about kung fu fighters going to thailand to fight vs MT and the only stlyle that won was choy li fat
 
ShortWarning said:
Something people have to understand about MMA....

You can use any style of Martial Art you like. There are no rules saying you have to use BJJ, wrestling, muay thai, boxing. The only reason these styles are used a lot more than anything else is because they actually work in a real life combat situation.

In the early UFC it was style vs style (MMA didn't exist in the sense it does nowadays). Everything barring fish hooking and eye gouging was legal. You could groin strike, throat strike, pressure points, whatever. The problem is (other than perhaps groin strikes) none of this works on a moving/attacking opponent. The guys that did well were BJJ, wrestling and Muay Thai practitioners. As these were discovered to be the most effective arts MMA evolved to encompass all of them.

I'm a fan of a lot of Traditional Martial arts, they're often great for fitness, they teach discipline and they can be a lot of fun. However, most of them don't work against a skilled fighter. If it did we would see it in MMA.
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100% agree with this
 
D.I.: To say that Muay Thai is part of Jeet Kune Do is incorrect. People do not take entire systems and put it into Jeet Kune Do. JKD is supposed to be a person's own personal expression. It's just like if you were writing a term paper. You would extract from and refer to different books, but you cannot copy a whole book into your term paper. You can only put it in your bibliography.

But Sifu Bruce was highly influenced by Muay Thai. Whether he was doing it correct by the standards of the Thais would be another thing, but he tried to put the essence of Muay Thai into his training.
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http://www.thaiboxing.com/dan_inosanto_interview

I guess he was influenced by all the kung fu people getting their arses kicked apart from choy li fat as I posted before

I'm a fan of a lot of Traditional Martial arts, they're often great for fitness, they teach discipline and they can be a lot of fun. However, most of them don't work against a skilled fighter. If it did we would see it in MMA.
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Whole point of jeet kune do take what works for you ignore what doesn't so I doubt BC would have been as weak as people imagine at MMA if he had ever fought in it.
he was clearly moving away from martial arts that don't work and just taking from them what did.

He wanted to be the best without the restrictions standard martial arts give which I guess he saw as holding him back
 
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This argument will never be solved. We'd need to start some tournament on a little island with no rules to see who won.

Anyway, my final thoughts would be no matter how much I really like Bruce Lee at the end of the day Bruce Lee at his peak against Fedor at his peak = Bruce Lee in a body bag. However, MMA is a sport and has rules and it I wouldn't say it would be prudent to take someone down in a street fight if he had friends around. Martial Arts have to be taken for what they are - they are designed and taught as the best way to win in their ruleset. Some are pure sports almost non-contact, some have very strict rules and conditions, MMA has few rules but some important caveats, and military systems are about control of weapons and aggression against the unprepared.
 
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arknor said:
http://www.thaiboxing.com/dan_inosanto_interview

I guess he was influenced by all the kung fu people getting their arses kicked apart from choy li fat as I posted before


Whole point of jeet kune do take what works for you ignore what doesn't so I doubt BC would have been as weak as people imagine at MMA if he had ever fought in it.
he was clearly moving away from martial arts that don't work and just taking from them what did.

He wanted to be the best without the restrictions standard martial arts give which I guess he saw as holding him back
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Bruce Lee started Jeet Kune Do as a philosophy. It was not really a form of Martial Art. He even said it over and over again in the video you posted earlier but essentially this is exactly what MMA has done, taken what works and ran with it.

There is no doubt he had the right attitude for MMA but because he never actually fought we'll never know if he was a capable fighter or how good he was.
 
In my opinion Bruce lee was just a showman, a gimmick as such to the western world. People was suckered to believe how great he was so they hand over their cash to go watch his entertainment.

Like said, no history of fighting. Only rumors of fights (which he was said to have lost).

I believe people like Jet Li, Van Damme,Chuck Norris etc would sit Bruce lee on his arse. Never mind some of these MMA fighters, they would just throw him all around the ring and pound on him.

This is just my opinion and i am not what so ever stating this as a fact. Just incase this gives any die hard Bruce Lee fans heart failure. :p
 
ShortWarning said:
I'm a fan of a lot of Traditional Martial arts, they're often great for fitness, they teach discipline and they can be a lot of fun. However, most of them don't work against a skilled fighter. If it did we would see it in MMA.
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exactly, real fighting is messy - i think people have watched too many movies. All this kung fu crap looks good but it doesn't make you an invincible killing machine able to beat massive brawlers. its basic physics.
bruce lee was 10 stone - he wouldn't stand a chance against most of the professional fighters mentioned here unless he got a lucky punch in just the right place.
 
Rybo89 said:
In my opinion Bruce lee was just a showman, a gimmick as such to the western world. People was suckered to believe how great he was so they hand over their cash to go watch his entertainment.

Like said, no history of fighting. Only rumors of fights (which he was said to have lost).

I believe people like Jet Li, Van Damme,Chuck Norris etc would sit Bruce lee on his arse. Never mind some of these MMA fighters, they would just throw him all around the ring and pound on him.

This is just my opinion and i am not what so ever stating this as a fact. Just incase this gives any die hard Bruce Lee fans heart failure. :p
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Funnily enough, outside of the westernised world, this is what most people think as well. It's only idiot fan boys, some of which have posted here, who have no clue about fighting and buy into the hype of traditional martial arts as effective fighting techniques who think he was an actual fighter. It's kind of embarrassing really.
 
aardvark said:
exactly, real fighting is messy - i think people have watched too many movies. All this kung fu crap looks good but it doesn't make you an invincible killing machine able to beat massive brawlers. its basic physics.
bruce lee was 10 stone - he wouldn't stand a chance against most of the professional fighters mentioned here unless he got a lucky punch in just the right place.
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Being 10 stone has nothing to do with it, he admitted Muhammed Ali would murder him easily. One can go even further and show that even in his weight class, he would be destroyed in MMA by a UFC fighter.
 
Xordium said:
This argument will never be solved. We'd need to start some tournament on a little island with no rules to see who won.

Anyway, my final thoughts would be no matter how much I really like Bruce Lee at the end of the day Bruce Lee at his peak against Fedor at his peak = Bruce Lee in a body bag. However, MMA is a sport and has rules and it I wouldn't say it would be prudent to take someone down in a street fight if he had friends around. Martial Arts have to be taken for what they are - they are designed and taught as the best way to win in their ruleset. Some are pure sports almost non-contact, some have very strict rules and conditions, MMA has few rules but some important caveats, and military systems are about control of weapons and aggression against the unprepared.
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If you are referring to Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko, then wtf! He is 107 kg, versus Bruces 61 kg....they would never compete in the same weight division :confused:
 
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If you are referring to Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko, then wtf! He is 107 kg, versus Bruces 61 kg....they would never compete in the same weight division :confused:
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Funny and enjoyable exhibition between Fedor and a 60kg Aoki, who would almost certainly destroy Lee in his weight class in a fight.


And Aoki is pretty far from the best.
 
hurfdurf said:
Funny and enjoyable exhibition between Fedor and a 60kg Aoki, who would almost certainly destroy Lee in his weight class in a fight.

And Aoki is pretty far from the best.
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Yeah....I really don't think that kind of speculation is relevant somehow (about Aoki Vs. Lee)....and doesn't address the point I raised anyhow :confused:
 
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If you are referring to Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko, then wtf! He is 107 kg, versus Bruces 61 kg....they would never compete in the same weight division :confused:
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Yes I am, because that is what the proponents of Bruce Lee are seriously arguing - that he would beat any MMA fighter.

People are seriously arguing not only that he would beat people at his weight category but any MMA fighter. And let's face it Fedor has never been a true heavyweight.

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And Aoki is pretty far from the best.
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Cheers for that I haven't watched that for a while - he may not be the best but he is always one of the most entertaining. What is interesting in the video is how crisp Fedor's technique is - he uses his technique not his size.
 
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To be honest, I don't think there's any point comparing him to heavy weights. I think it de-legitimises the argument. I know some people say he could "beat anyone in the whole wide world" but we should just ignore them.

There are plenty of Bantam/flyweights to compare him to.
 
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To be honest, I don't think there's any point comparing him to heavy weights. I think it de-legitimises the argument. I know some people say he could "beat anyone in the whole wide world" but we should just ignore them.

There are plenty of Bantam/flyweights to compare him to.
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Exactly. If you want to measure him professionally as a fighter, you need to adhere to the [professional] rules of the sport - surely this is just common sense?

I also agree about the "beating anyone in the whole world" thing - that is just plain ridiculous.
 
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