Bruce Lee vs....

In a ring Fedor would destroy him. Outside of a ring if Lee kept his distance using quick kicks he might have a chance. But then as soon as Fedor gets close to him he would lose.
 
willd58 said:
So your admitting commenting on something you actually have no clue about? Good one!
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What on earth are you wittering on about? As I understood it, I was commenting on a previous post regarding their different styles, not on MMA.

Legs are longer than arms - FACT! An opponent can be inside your kicking range while outside their punch range.

The point that was made was that if Lee could stay at kicking range, maybe take out Fedor's knee, he could end it very quickly through Fedor being unable to continue. But if Fedor could close in then, with the power in his punches, the situation could easily be reversed.

Now to grapple he has to be within punching range, yes ...?
 
Buttkicker said:
must add I am utterly convinced that David Carradine would have knocked the crap out of George Foreman and Randy Couture
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Yeah David Carradine would have taken them all at once and beaten them too.. :D

I saw him on telly years ago, He is wicked.. :D

What an amazing thread.. People do actually believe in fiction.. :o


I also think Dale Winton would beat the crap out of Lennox Lewis..
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MrSix said:
No, you're right, obviously we can't all be gifted at physical activities.

However, if you are open to suggestions or ideas from others who may have more experience than yourself, then here's a little titbit for you.

Don't snub other peoples theories and ideas when you yourself have little practical experience of fighting, you only watch from your comfy chair at home. You only see UFC and other such MMA showcased events and don't fully understand the different techniques from other styles.
You yourself said you dont understand why people with such little knowledge on a subject talk about it so much, well the same can be applied to people who only have second hand knowledge on a subject. Unless you've actually learned about pressure points and utilised them or had somebody show you how it feels and what they do, please don't make out like somebody with far more practical experience than yourself hasn't a clue about what they are saying.
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If someone says

"iv never driven a car, but i know it involves useing your arms to steer with the wheel and change gear, whilst your feet accelerate and brake aswell as control the clutch"

and someone else says

"i drive cars all the time, you steer with your feet and control the speed with your mind power"

Who you guna think knows more about cars?

Because you saying Bruce Lee could have a chance in hell, let alone saying he would use a "pressure point" to last even 30 seconds, let alone beat, Fedor, puts you firmly in the latter gategory.

I apreciate you may be well versed in precision submission techniques, iv tried the odd lesson myself from variouse people (admitadly, one was a clear Mc Dojo), all of which have come across as nothing more than Ballet, choreographed sithcuations and what not.

This, and the lack of any kind of "pressure point" attacks and the users of, who have gotten anywhere in MMA, kinda confirms my point. Feel free to show me evidence to the contarary.

Your point about me being an armchair combatant is a very valid one(and has led me looking into getting back into a combat sport of some kind :D ), to some extent, but you have supplied no evidence to the contarary supporting your argument.
 
people have qoute that a kick from bruce lee is like being hit by a car.
Bruce lee would floor tyson, i cnt even believe they argued against it, tyson wouldnt even get a hit in
 
I havn't read all of this thread but the main thing that would determin the outcome is if the it was totally without rules / gloves etc.

Without rules Lee would win, if we are talking normal MMA rules then I'm not so sure.

Lee would go for the eyes, throat, knees and groin, he delt in street fighting and used the core of Wing Chun kung fu in his JKD system. Wing Chun is not a sport it is for propper Hong Kong style street scrapping.

Lee was pound for pound the strongest man on earth at the time and an extremely fast and poweful athlete. He was at his peak when he died but by no means at a stand still, I think he would have got progressivly better.

As far as Tyson goes, Lee would have won, anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't do martial arts.
 
willd58 said:
Because you saying Bruce Lee could have a chance in hell, let alone saying he would use a "pressure point" to last even 30 seconds, let alone beat, Fedor, puts you firmly in the latter gategory.
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The reason pressure ppoints arent used in MMA etc. is as others said because its banned and very dangerous. The whole point of pressure points is to incapacitate or kill the opponent with the minimum power and in the shortest time possible. When talking about pressure points in this sort of situation get away from the hit the throat hard mentality. In a situation such as a proper fight with someone who actually knows what to do the move would be over within half a second and the other person would be in great pain, unconcious or dead.

One move for example is to grab the wrist of the opponent while stepping on their foot then swiping them round the side of the neck with the other hand, or grabbing their wrist (say after they throw a punch) then swinging your hand clipping their elbow on the way down and pulling up dislocating the elbow within half a second. Forget about all the karate chop james bond esc stuff, its a load of rubbish, for someone who was saying people who support Lee believe the films, you seem to have fallen into the same trap to.

I for one (having posted it in this thread before) believe that lee would have a very good chance in a no holes barred street fight but not in a ring with rules. :)
 
In a completely rule-free street fight environment Fedor would murder Lee.

Look at him, the dude's an animal.

I'm not denying Bruce Lee would whup pretty much.. anyone, but I firmly believe Fedor would kill him all the way to death, in not very long.
 
I think bruce will win. simply because he's too light and can do all sorts of quick attack. probably a swift and powerful punch/kick right to the eyes of Fedor Emelianenko and then take his time to cooking Fedor alive.

Bruce don't have to bother about the whatever kick boxing rules is, because body size & weight wise Fedor Emelianenko is much bigger / heavier than Bruce, so It was never a fair fight in the beginning. In such a situation Bruce deserves to do any dirty tricks he wants. Similiary any martial arts masters of the same size as Bruce will be able to kill Fedor, no problem. Some would prob use their lighting fast fingers to poke Fedor eyes.
 
Mohinder said:
In a completely rule-free street fight environment Fedor would murder Lee.

Look at him, the dude's an animal.

I'm not denying Bruce Lee would whup pretty much.. anyone, but I firmly believe Fedor would kill him all the way to death, in not very long.
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"you cannot win, he's unbeatable"

advice to a certain Mr.C.Clay before beating Sonny Liston.

how much of an "animal" he looks, how big he is or any of another 10 different factors have no bearing and give no definitive indication of "who beats who?"
 
The_Dark_Side said:
"you cannot win, he's unbeatable"

advice to a certain Mr.C.Clay before beating Sonny Liston.

how much of an "animal" he looks, how big he is or any of another 10 different factors have no bearing and give no definitive indication of "who beats who?"
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I didn't say anything about how big he is. It's the way he fights...

I mean come on, this is real life.

I swear half the people in this thread think Lee's punches really made that KERPOW noise when they connected.

Lee was a martial artist turned actor, this guy is a professional fighter who makes his living entirely from beating the **** out of people - not pretending to.

I think size has something to do with it too, plenty to do with it - but my argument wasn't OMG HE'S BIGGER HE WILL WINOR
 
Mohinder said:
Lee was a martial artist turned actor, this guy is a professional fighter who makes his living entirely from beating the **** out of people - not pretending to.
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whether you choose to admit it or not, Fedor fights under a set of rules and no matter how few and far between they are it is never going to be the same as if the same guy kicked off in the car park outside.
consequently this means you cannot be sure of his performance in situations where neither him nor his opponent are bound by those rules.
just because he's considerably physically superior to Lee doesn't guarantee victory.
think David and Goliath.
Mohinder said:
I swear half the people in this thread think Lee's punches really made that KERPOW noise when they connected.
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i have to agree.
the majority of people will have an opinion that's just uninformed, and this is true of most supporters of either fighter.
Mohinder said:
I think size has something to do with it too, plenty to do with it - but my argument wasn't OMG HE'S BIGGER HE WILL WINOR
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another good Ali quote springs to mind.
"your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see"
 
Look it's simple...Any one of those 5'2" Tai kick Boxers would literally kick the living crapola outa them pro confined ring fighters. I've seen 6'5" US sailors dropped with 1 kick from those guys... Bruce Lee developed "Jeet Kune Do" and that style in a non limited arena would have beat thuggery fighting any day of the week. ;)
 
Mohinder said:
A fair point.. but Lee is, contrary to what people seem to think, just a human being. He's not a jedi!
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I know exactly where you're coming from with that.Lee has, in many people's minds , been elevated to God status when in fact he wasn't even the best Wing Chun practitioner of his day.
Where Lee's talents really make him stand apart are that he was a visionary and his dedication to training was second to none.
an outstanding fighter but there was better around at the time, even within his own system.
 
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