BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

I doubt it will cost that much at all, it's going to be a product launched in response to what their customers want, there's no point having it if it's a £70 option.

DIABLO said:
For anyone that knows.

If a house is supplied by an alternative FTTP supplier does BT bother adding their own fibre?
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Openreach don't care about what other companies are doing, they certainly wouldn't see that you're getting fibre from CityFibre and decide to leave you alone - the conditions that made CityFibre a viable option will also exist for Openreach. The only thing that availability of other FTTP networks does is take your property out of any USO obligations.
 
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Hopefully this is the right place to ask this... time has come to switch to FTTP and that'll need Openreach to come out and do their thing.

When routing the cable into the house, does the ONT go on the wall opposite to the Junction Box or can/will they route the cable inside the property to a more suitable location?
 
glitch said:
Hopefully this is the right place to ask this... time has come to switch to FTTP and that'll need Openreach to come out and do their thing.

When routing the cable into the house, does the ONT go on the wall opposite to the Junction Box or can/will they route the cable inside the property to a more suitable location?
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I would likely get a draw string in place to where you want to route the fibre to from where it enters the house. A higher chance they will help you out then.
 
glitch said:
Hopefully this is the right place to ask this... time has come to switch to FTTP and that'll need Openreach to come out and do their thing.

When routing the cable into the house, does the ONT go on the wall opposite to the Junction Box or can/will they route the cable inside the property to a more suitable location?
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It depends. If it's being clipped along a skirting board for a few metres then yes, if you want them to run it 25m through four rooms then no.

Also consider that the outside box doesn't necessarily need to go in the same place it's in now, your best best is to talk to the engineer on the day.
 
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If they could follow the same cable routing that the phone line does, it seems to be mutually beneficial - routes to where there are multiple power sources for the ONT, ideally situated for my current router/mesh setup, etc.

There are no other entry points from the outside to the inside where the ONT would work and be able to get power easily... but I have no clue if the engineer would be amenable to my requests or insist it has to go somewhere specific.

Doesn't bother me what the dig up outside to run the cable, just the inside portion that I'd like to try and keep as clean an install as possible.

Anyway, there appears to be one other potentially spanner in the works... CityFibre recently upgraded our entire street, but my place does not have an obviously assigned CF access panel on the pathway outside. My neighbours all do, but I seem to be the only one without. Are they usually property-specific or could they be shared?
 
I've noticed on BIDB that there are several repairs around the little town I live in for reapirs such as manhole cover repairs, Sidewall repairs, Unblocking of ducts etc etc. Hoping this could be some movement on start of the FTTP rollout prep work.
 
glitch said:
When routing the cable into the house, does the ONT go on the wall opposite to the Junction Box or can/will they route the cable inside the property to a more suitable location?
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I had fibre installed last year and the engineer refused to do any routing at all. He said it was because the cable is fragile and any routing would leave it open to being knocked and broken which is a costly repair.
 
Name said:
I had fibre installed last year and the engineer refused to do any routing at all. He said it was because the cable is fragile and any routing would leave it open to being knocked and broken which is a costly repair.
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Well that's BS, just has a minimum bend radius, which for the indoor cable is pretty tiny.
Mine goes out of the junction box through an air brick into the crawl space, then to the middle of the house about 8 meters away, and up through a floorboards to the under stairs cupboard where my networking equipment is. They were really good on the day.
 
robj20 said:
Well that's BS, just has a minimum bend radius, which for the indoor cable is pretty tiny.
Mine goes out of the junction box through an air brick into the crawl space, then to the middle of the house about 8 meters away, and up through a floorboards to the under stairs cupboard where my networking equipment is. They were really good on the day.
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Suggesting that it is down to the cooperation of the engineer at the time.

I'll have an OR engineer visit tomorrow and even if they leave it near to where the FTTC connection entered the house for the ONT box I'll assume that there will be a ethernet cable going from that to the router.?
If so I already ran a CAT 6 cable from that to the middle of the house where I have our router placed.
 
Vimes said:
Suggesting that it is down to the cooperation of the engineer at the time.

I'll have an OR engineer visit tomorrow and even if they leave it near to where the FTTC connection entered the house for the ONT box I'll assume that there will be a ethernet cable going from that to the router.?
If so I already ran a CAT 6 cable from that to the middle of the house where I have our router placed.
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Yes. I just didn't want the box where the master socket was on the living room wall.
 
robj20 said:
Yes. I just didn't want the box where the master socket was on the living room wall.
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Were they willing to do all of what described on the day of fitting FTTP, without any pre arrangements being made.?
Seems very flexible to give you the access you wanted.
Want to make sure I get it right on the day, tomorrow. Only get one install.!

How far is it from your ONT box to your router now.?
 
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Vimes said:
Were they willing to do all of what described on the day of fitting FTTP, without any pre arrangements being made.?
Seems very flexible to give you the access you wanted.
Want to make sure I get it right on the day, tomorrow. Only get one install.!

How far is it from your ONT box to your router now.?
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I did some of the work myself, it depends who you get. I asked and they said they would look at it first but I also said or I'll do it and he handed me the cable so while he was doing the pole to the house I ran the indoor cable. Not all will let you help though.
 
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robj20 said:
I did some of the work myself, it depends who you get. I asked and they said they would look at it first but I also said or I'll do it and he handed me the cable so while he was doing the pole to the house I ran the indoor cable. Not all will let you help though.
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It does seem to be down to the person then.

I'll either get the ONT box more central to the house, more flexibility and wiring for the engineer, or I'll just have the CAT 6 left where it is to run from the ONT box to my Asus AX88U router.
Probably end up with the latter.
 
robj20 said:
Yes. I just didn't want the box where the master socket was on the living room wall.
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My perception is that installers are far more amenable to routing outside than inside. My alt provider engineer, didn't mind running the optic around the house, but wanted to do the minimum inside.
 
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DIABLO said:
My perception is that installers are far more amenable to routing outside than inside. My alt provider engineer, didn't mind running the optic around the house, but wanted to do the minimum inside.
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Who knows what they are told they can and can't do from there higher ups.
If they have all the time they want and can do what ever within reason then it's pure laziness to just want to staple it to the outside.
Imagine if an electrician just wanted to surface mount all your mains wiring.
 
Well you pay electricians for their time so you get whatever your budget can extend to. People expect their fibre to be installed for free by an engineer getting a flat rate to do it, and then ask for a job that could take three hours to achieve.

I disagree with installations being free for this reason, if they were paid for and everybody was clear about what you would get for that money then customers wouldn't waste time by not being in for the appointment, and engineers would know they were expected to deliver something to a standard in line with what the customer is being charged.
 
Similar to the post above you can get the install you require if you put the effort/cost in beforehand. I've got OR FTTP routed from overhead entry though smooth bore flexible conduit right through my house via loft and then in wall chases to next to my server rack where the ONT now is, plus I've got the splice point in my loft not outside. I've also got the Virgin Media cable going through twin wall ducting under my drive for over 15m and then via internal conduit buried in the walls to the same server rack location a considerable distance away (when I moved in it was clipped to the fence and across a gap in a path).

If an engineer arrives and you have some preparatory work done then they're usually fine doing what you want. The OR engineer I had for my install had about an hour given his next booking and was initially concerned with my plan but once he realised how quick the install would be he was very happy and was gone within 40mins and most of that was a delay activating the ONT.

All told I've spent over 2 solid weeks of work preparing for overhead and underground internet services to my home which is keen to say the least, but a lot less work (paying someone if required) on some prep work can make a big difference to the install you'll live with for a long time.
 
BT are offering my folks 500MB for £9 per month less than they're paying for 50MB so they'd be silly to say no. Would they send them a new router though even if they're on FTTP already?
 
kmax86 said:
Has anyone here changed from BT to EE and did not get a price hike?
Their website upgrade option have at least £3 price increase for my account :(
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I moved over about 3 months ago and my price didn't change, probably because I was about half way through a 2 year contract so I was in term. I had to call to switch over was a pain but actually the call was easy.

The only reason I did it was because I was getting fed up of the emails from BT saying I need to plug the Home Hub in to activate Digital Voice. I've not had a phone plugged in for about 8 years but BT couldn't remove the phone line because I was in term. Also, it stopped the "Hey, you should switch to EE Broadband!" emails I was also getting them.

Unlimited mobile data on both my mobile numbers was an unexpected benefit.
 
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