BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

The ilford hop is bad, here's mine:

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C:\Users\Chris>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms DD-WRT [192.168.1.1]
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.32.142.5
3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.32.142.46
4 7 ms 6 ms 7 ms 213.120.163.70
5 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.32.27.74
6 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.32.27.182
7 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms acc2-10GigE-11-2-0.mr.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.2
50.206]
8 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms core1-te0-12-0-4.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.2
50.133]
9 16 ms 13 ms 13 ms peer2-xe11-0-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.
254.130]
10 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 194.74.65.42
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 13 ms 13 ms 14 ms ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
13 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 132.185.255.134
14 14 ms 15 ms 15 ms 212.58.241.131

6ms from Cheshire to Ipswich, then from Ipswich to London it more than doubles :confused:
 
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So BT have placed the FTTC a driving distance of 0.3 mile away from our house...not straight line unless you consider perhaps 85-90% would be.

When BT finally pull their finger out and get the service ready in Rochdale...after a 2 year delay :rolleyes:

What would the speeds likely to be with this distance?

I shall be going with Sky for Fibre Broadband at the first possible opportunity as 5.5mb is poor :p
 
Jaymond said:
So BT have placed the FTTC a driving distance of 0.3 mile away from our house...not straight line unless you consider perhaps 85-90% would be.

When BT finally pull their finger out and get the service ready in Rochdale...after a 2 year delay :rolleyes:

What would the speeds likely to be with this distance?

I shall be going with Sky for Fibre Broadband at the first possible opportunity as 5.5mb is poor :p
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My cabinet on sky fibre is about 250 meters as the crow flies. im 1.1km from exchange as crow flies.


Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.244.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter.Home
2 19 ms 23 ms 18 ms 5e060002.bb.sky.com [94.6.0.2]
3 21 ms 21 ms 28 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 20 ms 23 ms 23 ms te0-0-0-7.er11.thlon.ov.easynet.net [89.200.131.
1]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 212.58.238.189
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.109]
9 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms 132.185.255.148
10 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms bbc-vip112.telhc.bbc.co.uk [212.58.244.67]

Trace complete.


Im in Uckfield, why do i also have 2 time out hops? What causes this? Any thing that could be fixed?
 
Angel_Rex said:
My cabinet on sky fibre is about 250 meters as the crow flies. im 1.1km from exchange as crow flies.


Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.244.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter.Home
2 19 ms 23 ms 18 ms 5e060002.bb.sky.com [94.6.0.2]
3 21 ms 21 ms 28 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 20 ms 23 ms 23 ms te0-0-0-7.er11.thlon.ov.easynet.net [89.200.131.
1]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 212.58.238.189
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.109]
9 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms 132.185.255.148
10 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms bbc-vip112.telhc.bbc.co.uk [212.58.244.67]

Trace complete.


Im in Uckfield, why do i also have 2 time out hops? What causes this? Any thing that could be fixed?
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Maybe they've been set to ignore ICMP requests.
 
Was going to ask you knowledgeable folk - are there any graphs that show max attainable rates with FTTC (with distance). And where can you find more information about profiles?

Is there a higher profile than 17a that can give faster speeds over FTTC? any links would be great
 
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There is also a 30a profile, can provide upto 200Mbps.
 
Ive just RMAd my 2850n for a refund

If the router needed rebooting or restatrting (to apply changed settings for example) it wouldn't get net connectivity without removing all but the incoming cable and 1 ethernet - hard reset then reconnect all the other cables.

Sometimes I even had to change the password for the internet connection.

This was bad enough and had numerous suggestions (including beta firmwares) from DrayTek support and even allowed them remote access to the router with no avail. The last straw was several dropped connections over the period of a few days which, with the issue above, was the last straw
 
damn so jealous of u guys with the 80/20 trial. ah well hopefully not long now before BT officially roll it out. Getting bored of 4.6mb/s download speeds! want faster rar rar rar.

ah sorry to hear about your 2850 TB, i myself have a 2750 and altho its not completely perfect i think i was lucky and got the older chipset so havent had any major problems.

The main problem i have is that i disconnect and reconnect every 2 days due to my upstream SNR dropping to zero, but i am pretty sure that this has to do with my aluminium line or something. I can live with it as it usually drops out in around 5am and i am usually asleep. very reluctant to phone bt india and deal with the aggro.

Have u considered trying something called the Fritzbox? I think that's its name anyway. Some people on the Bt infinity forums have said that its pretty good
 
I'm really jealous too. On a better note we just got upgraded for ADSL2+! Finally I can get beyond the 7MBit i've had for the past six years onto something hopefully in the region of 2.5x that.

I doubt we'll ever get FTTC or FTTH out here with the time it took to get ADSL2+. :(

On a side note, I thought FTTC wasn't distance dependant, i.e you got pretty much all the 40MBit no matter how far you are from the exchange?
 
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Tute said:
On a side note, I thought FTTC wasn't distance dependant, i.e you got pretty much all the 40MBit no matter how far you are from the exchange?
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ADSL is dependant on distance from your home to exchange. FTTC is dependant on the distance between your home and the street cabinet (green things you see on footpaths). As cabinets tend to be much closer to your home generally everyone gets good speeds.
 
~TB~ said:
Ive just RMAd my 2850n for a refund
The last straw was several dropped connections over the period of a few days which, with the issue above, was the last straw
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TB, wow! you seem to be having major issues with your Draytek, & so unlucky.
As I've said before I think it's a BT issue, as I a friend who is on the same exchange as me, but a different cabinet, & he could not run his 2750n, but I tried it & it worked perfectly on my connection.

I know Draytek has been changing chips from Broadcom to some other make, in some of it's boxes, I just wonder whether they are having some issues with fttc?

Was going to get a 2850n to replace my 2750n which I killed with a Fritzbox, never use one before, but I'm tempted to try a FRITZBox 7390, I like they way it Integrates iPhones and Android smartphones into the home network over WLAN, DECT repeater, guest mode, whereby WLAN access is made available for visitors but isolated from the home network. plus numerous other useful features.
Plus it uses the Ikanos Fusiv Vx180 chipset, so I will will be interested to see how it works, compared to what Draytek uses.
 
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May take a look at the Fritzbox mate ;)

I was just at the end of my tether after the initial set up problems then the iplayer and vision problems I finally thought it was sorted and tbh I could have lived with the reset issue if that was the only issue but after it started to drop connection it was just too much

Another thing I'm not sure is related but my ip profile has dropped from ~38/10 to ~34/10 so I've requested BT reset my line

DrayTek have a quality piece I kit but it's not 100% easily integrated with infinity at the moment from my experience and not sure if tats a DrayTek thing, a BT thing or a bit of both

Ironically since going back to the OR modem and HH3 I haven't had any issues :s won't stop me taking a loot at the FB though :D
 
I've noticed a few smaller green cabs appear with 'Fibre is here' plastered all over them around my town. I'd like to find where my cab is, just so I know how far away it is at least :)
 
shine said:
ADSL is dependant on distance from your home to exchange. FTTC is dependant on the distance between your home and the street cabinet (green things you see on footpaths). As cabinets tend to be much closer to your home generally everyone gets good speeds.
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Damn, I feel stupid now.

Fibre, to, the, CABINET. Yes, it makes perfect sense. Thanks. :o
 
MilanoChris said:
BTW, anyone able to recommend a router that has strong wireless and can work as a VPN server? Must also have 4 minimum gigabit ports and preferably an ability to turn off any LEDs on it.
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Bump for this. Dual band so new devices can work off 5Ghz and old ones off the old 3.4Ghz band would be useful also.
 
Silly question, my folks are on bt broadband, recently got sent a HH3 to upgrade their HH1, I believe the HH acts as their modem and router for wired and wireless.
In an infinity system does BT also supply a second box to act as an infinity modem? And from this you connect into your router or the HH3 if you prefer?
So with infinity the modem aspect of the HH is superceeded by a new box?
 
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