BT ordered to block pirate links

RomanNose · 27 Oct 2011 at 15:21

steve-h said:
no, it means proxies are going to be back in fashion.

Well I think these days, people would be more inclined to use Tor or a VPN.
You don't in theory need a proxy at all, usenet can be done without an indexing site. You just have to use a client that fetches the headers from your server, though given the rise of Sab+Headphones+CouchPotato+ Sickbeard, you would be a fool if you did not use an indexing service.

RomanNose · 27 Oct 2011 at 15:23

Robbo said:
Newzbin have already made a client that will circumvent this anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Yeah, though I worry about what technology this employs.
If it is using Tor which I believe it does, it will make a case for the government to ban Tor. I don't think that is possible though, also this increase in traffic through tor might make it dog slow. There are hardly enough relays at the moment.
They say it makes an "encrypted session " with newzbin, not sure what the difference between that an https is though.

StriderX · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:40

I wonder when these lobbyist groups will realise that litigation is pointless...pfft all this money spent on lawyers and court time, could be better used to give consumers a better service in the first place.

Oh well, their loss.

Dirk · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:51

ISP level blocks are easy to get around, unless i'm missing something?

OpenDNS/Google DNS.

RomanNose · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:54

Dirk said:
ISP level blocks are easy to get around, unless i'm missing something?

OpenDNS/Google DNS.

Cleanfeed is different, wikipedia says that https can work though.

stuman · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:44

Sundance said:
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/isps-are-now-the-internet-police-984628

I agree that it's a slippery slope.

Rather than trying to stop piracy, why don't they provide a service that we actually want i.e. an easy way to buy and listen to music whenever and wherever

it's that word.

people think they are entitled to all the films and music for free.

I've had this argument with people time and again. it just never gets through. it's theft. and as such i would sometime like to be able to report people for it.

i think if the police started confiscating computers with pirated software/media on them then people would stop doing it very quickly.

but on the flip side i would also like to prosecute film companies and music companies for crimes against humanity. NOBODY need to listen to justin beiber.

RomanNose · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:48

stuman said:
it's theft.

Stop right there, correct that before you expect people to listen to you.

Tefal · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:49

stuman said:
I've had this argument with people time and again. it just never gets through. it's theft.

Not according to the law

[TW]Fox · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:54

stuman said:
I've had this argument with people time and again. it just never gets through. it's theft.

It never gets through because you are simply wrong. I suggest you go and read the Theft Act (1968) as it is this, and not your own misguided opinion, that defines what is and isn't theft.

i think if the police started confiscating computers with pirated software/media on them then people would stop doing it very quickly.

Why would the police confisifcate computers for pirate software when pirate software is a civil matter and not a criminal offence?

Why do people hold strong opinions on subjects they know nothing about?

Why is orange jam called marmalade?

Tefal · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:55

stuman said:
well in the future i may be looking at a BR drive to make rips of my movies. but thats a little way out at the moment. and also a few TB of storage space short.

I say we lock him up for theft! :mad:

Monkeynut · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:56

Pirates ordered to board BT.

trigger-happy · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:58

looks like I will be moving to virgin media now LOL bye bye infinity.

SuperTronNarwhal · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:59

Does this include Sky?

krooton · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:03

a1ex2001 said:
The difference is while I might lend my book to one or two friends your 'internet friend' is lending his copy to thousands of people. The other significant difference being that while my friend has my book I can't read it unlike your 'internet friend' who can still watch the origional DVD while thousands of other people can watch the copies simultaneously.

While yes in isolation you can say the two activities are the same the cumulative effect is entirely different and warrants a different response.

Given the massive massive difference between download and upload speeds, I'd very surprised is any one user has made something they have downloaded available to 1000s of people. Most people don't even get to a 1:1 ratio, so you have only shared snippets of the media across 1000s people, not 1000s of entire copies.

Lord-Jaffa said:
Piracy has lead me to make a lot of purchases I never would have (mainly tv box sets and some great movies).

When was the last time you saw any "artist" driving around in a 1990's Ford Fiesta. I fail to believe that piracy has an impact on the industry, in fact id go as far as to say that it actually boosts sales of GOOD content.

If I go to a restaurant and the food is unacceptable, I can return it. If I buy an item from a shop and it is unacceptable, I can return it. Media does not allow for this. If I pay £12 to go watch a film at the cinema, and it turns out to be terrible, tough, I still lost my money.

AcidHell2 said:
But at the end of the day it's their business they have the. Right to charge what they want and if you don't want to pay, they go bust and you won't be able to get hold of their goods.

But the above is happening right now anyway, hence them QQing about loss of revenue.

So what happens to film and game review sites? If a game is released and panned by everyone, that results in loss of revenue for the game company. Are they going to block all review sites?

My friends sees a film I was going to see, tells me it's crap and I pass on going to watch it. Loss of revenue! Should my friend be punished?

Hell, releasing special editions shortly after the release of media can harm the initial batch of sales. Should the company sue itself for causing it's own loss of revenue?

trigger-happy · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:08

fudge them. Just use a VPN to grab hold of the file sharing links and download those links hosted by a file hosting service with BT. Simples.

stuman · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:22

Tefal said:
I say we lock him up for theft!

i own the blue rays you pleb.

Tefal · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:27

stuman said:
i own the blue rays you pleb.

makes no difference, you broke the law when you made those illegal copies.

stuman · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:36

ok, i was wrong.

i was under the impression that it was the same as CD's.

it seems it's grey area again.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/disc-vaults/

a Blu-ray Disc must remain in the disc vault to enable playback of the copy on the server

so they rip it. and its legal. you just need to have the disc.

Tefal · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:38

Nope not a grey area, out and out illegal to circumvent DRM.

kylew · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:43

stuman said:
ok, i was wrong.

i was under the impression that it was the same as CD's.

it seems it's grey area again.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/disc-vaults/

a Blu-ray Disc must remain in the disc vault to enable playback of the copy on the server

so they rip it. and its legal. you just need to have the disc.

The point is that it doesn't actually matter. Illegal or not, there are no sort of repercussion to doing it, so it doesn't matter. The only legal repercussions related to copyright infringement is when you upload stuff, as it's seen as distribution. If you're downloading or making your own copies by ripping disks, the legalities are just a waste of time. Also, why do you think it's okay to force upon people that piracy is theft? Are you unable to think for yourself, and therefore just accept the "PIRACY IS A CRIME" advert to be gospel truth?