Ted just confirmed that the suspension setup was different on friday only.
Cars were technically identical today
Canadian Grand Prix 2012, Montréal - Race 7/20
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Ted just confirmed that the suspension setup was different on friday only.
Cars were technically identical today
Off to watch it again the BBC
Me too lol
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You don't think at any time he was matching a gap, pacing himself waiting for the right time and making sure he was running to a correct pace?
Of course he was, if not he would have destroyed his tyres in 5 laps and fallen away. It's great to see he has learnt so much from last year and gotten a whole lot smarter
You don't think at any time he was matching a gap, pacing himself waiting for the right time and making sure he was running to a correct pace?
Of course he was, if not he would have destroyed his tyres in 5 laps and fallen away. It's great to see he has learnt so much from last year and gotten a whole lot smarter
Yes ofcourse, but we have discussed numerous times on here that drivers should try driving faster and doing more stops than truddling around and saving tyres.
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How the hell do you drive faster and do less stops? Surely you push harder eat tyres and do an extra stop
Sorry, i meant more stops
Good win
Great to see those three on the podium also.
What happened to fuel saving this race? Nico was told to save fuel real early on and we just didn't hear it from anyone else? I thought they normally under fuel the car even more when a safety car is a high possibility?
Great to see those three on the podium also.
What happened to fuel saving this race? Nico was told to save fuel real early on and we just didn't hear it from anyone else? I thought they normally under fuel the car even more when a safety car is a high possibility?
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Did anyone know what the guy late in the show was talking about, he said Mclaren on the radio said they needed to talk to Button and they eluded to it likely being a response to Button saying something but they didn't hear it. I got the impression they were thinking Button said something , I don't know, anti team... blaming the team for his performance, maybe shouting at them or something and they said they had better all get together and talk about it. Did anyone hear what was said, or did that radio/twitter feed or something catch what Button might have said?
COuld be totally wrong as they didn't hear anything but from what he said he thought they were replying to something Button said.
Anyway, great race by Hamilton and, I said yesterday I'd love to see someone go a bit faster, do an extra stop and try and use the tyres effectively in doing so. I do see where Alonso and Vettel were coming from, because they essentially had nothing to lose, unless Hamilton had a problem in the pits(a worse one) then they wouldn't leap frog him so it was worth a shot at keeping him behind however they obviously didn't even consider the guys behind, and that was a huge mistake. Vettel/RBR made a pretty brave move to pit with so little time left but it got them a lot more points than they'd otherwise have.
I was watching thinking nothing less than, "haha, Ferrari have pulled a Mclaren", its almost the exact opposite of so many races for basically 2 years for Lewis where the other teams made the bad calls.
He overtook Vettel, did the same to Alonso, got the second gap he needed to be out of DRS which made it a bit more comfortable and trusted his team to make the right call which frankly takes a lot with the way Mclaren have been going.
Button, lol, he takes it too easy, he refuses to drive aggressively, no one else has tire problems in general except him. Even more ridiculously, with tires that aren't fast, he pits repeatedly expecting a different result from the same tires. He's slow, he's slow on the first set of tires and the second set, he pitted 3 times with no reason as the new tires were never faster. The problem is him and his driving style, he could have done a one stop at exactly the same pace. He gained nothing by pitting, just pushed himself further and further back.
Here's a hint Button, push the car more and the tyres will be hotter, 20 other drivers can manage it. Mclaren actually had the fastest race pace car today and a great qualifying car, Button just can't drive it.
Still have to wonder, if he can't get any heat in the tyres at all, how can he get within 3/10ths of Hamilton in qualifying, the same gap he's had for 3 years? Surely if the tyres have no heat he can't do any good laps.
Lastly, I might be wrong but, didn't Button do a lap in Q3 in softs, but he locked up badly so both did a **** lap and was forced to start on softs he'd hurt pretty badly. Which is why, I guess Perez/Kimi went SO much further on softs because they had completely fresh softs while Button had used/abused ones. Though I still think he came in for tyres more thinking he would be faster than because they were totally gone by that point.
COuld be totally wrong as they didn't hear anything but from what he said he thought they were replying to something Button said.
Anyway, great race by Hamilton and, I said yesterday I'd love to see someone go a bit faster, do an extra stop and try and use the tyres effectively in doing so. I do see where Alonso and Vettel were coming from, because they essentially had nothing to lose, unless Hamilton had a problem in the pits(a worse one) then they wouldn't leap frog him so it was worth a shot at keeping him behind however they obviously didn't even consider the guys behind, and that was a huge mistake. Vettel/RBR made a pretty brave move to pit with so little time left but it got them a lot more points than they'd otherwise have.
I was watching thinking nothing less than, "haha, Ferrari have pulled a Mclaren", its almost the exact opposite of so many races for basically 2 years for Lewis where the other teams made the bad calls.
He overtook Vettel, did the same to Alonso, got the second gap he needed to be out of DRS which made it a bit more comfortable and trusted his team to make the right call which frankly takes a lot with the way Mclaren have been going.
Button, lol, he takes it too easy, he refuses to drive aggressively, no one else has tire problems in general except him. Even more ridiculously, with tires that aren't fast, he pits repeatedly expecting a different result from the same tires. He's slow, he's slow on the first set of tires and the second set, he pitted 3 times with no reason as the new tires were never faster. The problem is him and his driving style, he could have done a one stop at exactly the same pace. He gained nothing by pitting, just pushed himself further and further back.
Here's a hint Button, push the car more and the tyres will be hotter, 20 other drivers can manage it. Mclaren actually had the fastest race pace car today and a great qualifying car, Button just can't drive it.
Still have to wonder, if he can't get any heat in the tyres at all, how can he get within 3/10ths of Hamilton in qualifying, the same gap he's had for 3 years? Surely if the tyres have no heat he can't do any good laps.
Lastly, I might be wrong but, didn't Button do a lap in Q3 in softs, but he locked up badly so both did a **** lap and was forced to start on softs he'd hurt pretty badly. Which is why, I guess Perez/Kimi went SO much further on softs because they had completely fresh softs while Button had used/abused ones. Though I still think he came in for tyres more thinking he would be faster than because they were totally gone by that point.
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So bored of hearing about tires throughout the races.
Tires this tires that, ohh it's not the driver, the tires have degraded by a micron which is affecting his time.
All the cars should have massive tires to last the race, so there all on equal footing.
Tires this tires that, ohh it's not the driver, the tires have degraded by a micron which is affecting his time.
All the cars should have massive tires to last the race, so there all on equal footing.
The tyres are useless! Multiple tyre stops are ruining the racing! Pirelli suck! The drivers on the podium stopped loads of times! hamilton stopped, er twice. But the other podium opisitions stopped loads of times! They both stopped, er, once. but the tyres are still ruining the racing! Alonso did a Kimi and went backwards! That's proof! I think. Erm, it should be anyway!
Tyres are good, it's not random, the top drivers in the championship are top drivers, vettel and alonso went against the computer predictions and came off worse.. What's that? It'd unpredictable? But the predictions were right? I'd doesn't make sense :-\, tyres = good, stop making excuses.
BBC commentators were better than sky! That's of course I'd they weren't cheating and commentated after the race lol.
They picked up on a lot that I noticed sky missed, they were too concerned about shirt slinger
BBC commentators were better than sky! That's of course I'd they weren't cheating and commentated after the race lol.
They picked up on a lot that I noticed sky missed, they were too concerned about shirt slinger
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what were Ferrari thinking lol
the 15 sec gap would have been perfect for a pit stop
the 15 sec gap would have been perfect for a pit stop
Just watched his BBC interview, he says he definitely isn't a tyre problem. More worryingly, he said he has 'no idea' why he is struggling... Poor Jenson...
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He's getting seriously screwed, okay he wasn't having a great race, but not terrible either.
Got to laugh at the truly ridiculous person that is Brundle..... his DRS is stuck open, he'll have a huge advantage.... right after seeing him go off the track with zero downforce in corners... yeah huge advantage. Can't stand Brundle.
Anyway, some Button quotes
Pretty much what I've been saying, he can't be the only person who can't drive the tyres, its something else. However he also says he's pushing the car to the limits, he isn't, he's pushing HIMSELF to the limit, not to the cars limit.
As I said earlier, swapping tyres and being the same speed, then swapping them again, and being the same speed.... he's literally just wasting time in the pits. If he'd one stopped, going that soft on the tyres he'd likely have done the same speed and been 2 pit stops ahead of where he finished. He did the same, forget which race, when he broke his wing he got new tyres, and got a new set not long after.
THough the important thing is, he's now saying its not the tyres, so everyone who has been talking about heat in the tyres, is simply wrong, because Button's the only guy thats been saying it, and he's saying he's wrong about it.
For me, he's not aggressive enough when cars get hard to handle fast around corners without being on the rails like the last few seasons. THat also means locking up more often as he's simply trying to slow down more than everyone else, and less tyre heat from going slower in the corners. Its not a car/tyre problem, its driving style problem. The difference is, when in by FAR the fastest car, and on the rails through corners, he won, without being the fastest car, he never, ever looked fast, without the car on rails, he looks positively poop(as I always thought he used to).