Canadian Grand Prix 2012, Montréal - Race 7/20

Here's a hint Button, push the car more and the tyres will be hotter, 20 other drivers can manage it. Mclaren actually had the fastest race pace car today and a great qualifying car, Button just can't drive it.

Still have to wonder, if he can't get any heat in the tyres at all, how can he get within 3/10ths of Hamilton in qualifying, the same gap he's had for 3 years? Surely if the tyres have no heat he can't do any good laps.

So basically you're saying he does get heat into the tyres, or not... :confused:

I think he's probably tried 'push the care more and the tyres will be hotter' already... I'm pretty sure he knows how to do that...
 
He's getting seriously screwed, okay he wasn't having a great race, but not terrible either.
his early pitstop screwed him over, it wouldnt suprise me if merc wanted to see what kind of pace the softs had for rosberg.
he was following grosjean and looked to be quicker than him before the stop and look where grosjean finished.
i dont think merc can manage the tyres aswell as renault but a top 6 must have been possible with a good stratergy.

i supose its better to have another **** up by the team while your in a **** position though

AMG = against michael group
 
For me, he's not aggressive enough when cars get hard to handle fast around corners without being on the rails like the last few seasons. THat also means locking up more often as he's simply trying to slow down more than everyone else, and less tyre heat from going slower in the corners. Its not a car/tyre problem, its driving style problem. The difference is, when in by FAR the fastest car, and on the rails through corners, he won, without being the fastest car, he never, ever looked fast, without the car on rails, he looks positively poop(as I always thought he used to).

Forgive me, I've read this paragraph several times and it makes less sense each time :confused:
 
Immensely impressive drive from LH today.

Last season has seriously improved where his head is.

Drove very well, kept a level head when trying to overtake and did what I love him for: Ragging the **** out of the car.

Great stuff.
 
Nice race at the end, shame about Button the difference between him and Hamilton is odd really, hopefully they can sort it out quickly, hats off to Grosjean and Perez, future champions if all goes well for them. Maybe now Lewis and the rest of the team will have the confidence for the next few, home win at Silverstone would be great!
 
So basically you're saying he does get heat into the tyres, or not... :confused:

I think he's probably tried 'push the care more and the tyres will be hotter' already... I'm pretty sure he knows how to do that...

I'm saying, if anyone drives slower through every corner, they'll have less tyre heat. That isn't an inherant fault with the tyre, or the car though, which is what Button has essentially been saying for many many races. The lack of heat comes through Button being a big girl. Just about everyone takes a more aggressive line than him, and how often does he get a set of tyres to turn on through a stint rather than just get slower and slower.

Other drivers will ride the slight sliding through corners, take a tight line and man handle a car round a track, Button is basically completely unwilling to do this, this naturally leads to lower tyre temp, with these tyres that also means less speed and less grip, making cornering even more difficult.

He's starting to realise, his problems are all down to him and his driving(and probably in part, though how big a part I have no idea, his ability to set up a car). If he manhandled the car through corners on the cars limit, his tyres would work better for him.

So how long before Perez is in a Ferrari then ? :p

Ferrari or, will he get an offer of the second seat at Mclaren first ;)
 
Only just read what Schumi said, he didn't know the DRS flap was still up till he went off the track. Team were a tad slow about telling him, hell, braking for the chicane at the wall of champs must have been dangerous as hell. Also hadn't realised(because of fitting in qualy around the footie) that the team apparently screwed up timing which stopped Schumi getting around in time to start his fast lap.

He really is getting crapped on by the team... however its quite nice that Schumi has the bad luck and its shifted off Hamilton finally.... would quite like to see Schumi have a good run of races though, i don't think there is a driver on the grid who has had worse luck this season or whose points tally is so completely not representative of his speed, qualifying or race pace.
 
Button, lol, he takes it too easy, he refuses to drive aggressively, no one else has tire problems in general except him. Even more ridiculously, with tires that aren't fast, he pits repeatedly expecting a different result from the same tires. He's slow, he's slow on the first set of tires and the second set, he pitted 3 times with no reason as the new tires were never faster. The problem is him and his driving style, he could have done a one stop at exactly the same pace. He gained nothing by pitting, just pushed himself further and further back.

Here's a hint Button, push the car more and the tyres will be hotter, 20 other drivers can manage it. Mclaren actually had the fastest race pace car today and a great qualifying car, Button just can't drive it.

Still have to wonder, if he can't get any heat in the tyres at all, how can he get within 3/10ths of Hamilton in qualifying, the same gap he's had for 3 years? Surely if the tyres have no heat he can't do any good laps.

Lastly, I might be wrong but, didn't Button do a lap in Q3 in softs, but he locked up badly so both did a **** lap and was forced to start on softs he'd hurt pretty badly. Which is why, I guess Perez/Kimi went SO much further on softs because they had completely fresh softs while Button had used/abused ones. Though I still think he came in for tyres more thinking he would be faster than because they were totally gone by that point.
Button added that he didn't believe the problems stemmed from the Pirelli tyres directly, when asked whether the harder compounds on offer in Valencia could help him solve his problems, and pointed towards it being a set-up problem.

"It's not the tyres, it's definitely not a tyre issue. I'm the only person who can't drive the tyres? No, it is impossible."

"I have massive degradation and I stopped before most runners and I was on the prime tyre. Obviously the car with a certain set-up is very quick but what I was driving was not a winning car.

"It's been the same for the last couple of races and I don't know why because it is normally something I am pretty good at. I'm driving round 1.5 seconds slower than the leaders and one is my team-mate but I can't go any quicker."

Sorry to wee on your rant :)
 
Only just read what Schumi said, he didn't know the DRS flap was still up till he went off the track. Team were a tad slow about telling him, hell, braking for the chicane at the wall of champs must have been dangerous as hell. Also hadn't realised(because of fitting in qualy around the footie) that the team apparently screwed up timing which stopped Schumi getting around in time to start his fast lap.

He really is getting crapped on by the team... however its quite nice that Schumi has the bad luck and its shifted off Hamilton finally.... would quite like to see Schumi have a good run of races though, i don't think there is a driver on the grid who has had worse luck this season or whose points tally is so completely not representative of his speed, qualifying or race pace.

did you see schumachers brave overtake on kobayashi at the hairpin? and then kobayashi gets the drs and easily sails back past :rolleyes: they seriously need to rethink that drs detection zone
 
did you see schumachers brave overtake on kobayashi at the hairpin? and then kobayashi gets the drs and easily sails back past :rolleyes: they seriously need to rethink that drs detection zone

Schumacher should have waited for the detection point and took him with DRS (as Hamilton did to Alonso).


Give him the same setup as lewis tbh and say 'Get on with it Jenson!'

This is what I'm thinking. Or let Hamilton on Buttons car in FP1, is that legal?
 
Schumacher should have waited for the detection point and took him with DRS (as Hamilton did to Alonso).

so people should be punished for and avoid real overtakes and wait for a fake boring looking DRS boring overtake?

if i want to watch a car cruise past another on a straight i might aswell go stand next to a motorway
 
no wonder hardly any people are posting on here with idiots ranting and not conceiving to anothers opinion. fun times.


Great race by Lewis, just go's to show what he is capable of when Mclaren don't screw up. Great drive, he really ragged the car, I have no idea where Jenson was but pitting every 4 laps for tires there is just no excuse.
 
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so people should be punished for and avoid real overtakes and wait for a fake boring looking DRS boring overtake?

From a strategy point of view, yes. Especially if you're going to overtake someone just before the DRS detection zone.

Was it in Turkey last year where people were overtaking the car in front on the run to the DRS detection zone then getting re-overtaken with DRS by the car they had just overtaken?

It might not be good for the spectator if every overtake is DRS-enabled but as a driver it makes little sense to do anything else unless you've got the gap to perform and overtake and pull out a one second gap before the DRS zone.
 
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I hope Button can find his mojo again. As much as i prefer Hamilton over Button, it is still nice to see both british drivers up there at the front, and helping to win Mclaren the constructors.
 
I have to say, i am very impressed by how Hamilton has turned things around this season and got his head together. Great to see him so happy yesterday.
 
Hamilton is great to watch when everything is working well for him on track.

Not sure what Ferrari were playing at keeping Alonso out for so long when his lap times were so off the pace.
 
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