Canadian Grand Prix 2012, Montréal - Race 7/20

Yeah if you look at how KERS style Hybrid technology is being used in GT and LMP Endurance racing, it makes F1's efforts look a bit pathetic.
 
Seven winners in seven races and yet you could have predicted the top three - if not the order - with no knowledge of the season at all.

Class will tell.
 
Duke said:
More exciting than a Trulli train.
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less exciting than schumacher vs hamilton at monza though but i guess with the **** new blocking rule it doesnt matter anyway.

they might aswell add a new lane to every track that you can only drive in while overtaking , maybe add a short cut for every corner
 
Skeeter said:
I think they are just bringing him in and changing tyres and some wing settings and things in the hope that it helps with what looks like an underlying grip/balance issue.
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they bring him in because the tyres lose temprature and he can never warm them up again after, they come out of there blankets warmer and give him another chance to keep them warm.

but his girly driving style isnt creating enough friction to put heat into the tyres

ii guess mclaren can tell from comparing telemetry with hamilton what they are doing different , maybe hamilton is more aggressive on the brakes aswell
 
arknor said:
they bring him in because the tyres lose temprature and he can never warm them up again after, they come out of there blankets warmer and give him another chance to keep them warm.
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Lol, no they don't. He would need to be tip-toeing around corners to loose enough heat for that. Not to mention the 1000C brakes just cm's away.

Lateral loads create heat, and he is lapping numerous seconds a lap faster, and specifically cornering faster than HRT and Marussia, but we don't see those teams coming in with ice cold tyres.

Its a far more fundamental issue than just cold tyres.
 
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arknor said:
go listen to the pit radio feeds and hear button crying about losing temprature
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And after 4 races of issues one of the largest and most successful teams in F1's only suggestion on the issue is... to just bring him in and put some warmer ones on?

He ran the same rear suspension setup that Hamilton did, and he won the race, on a setup he felt was working the tyres far to hard to be able to do a 1 stop...

I know they're supposed to have different styles, but they would need to be rather drastically different for the same setup to cause one driver to cook his tyres while the other gets them icy cold, while lapping within a second of each other.
 
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Skeeter said:
Lol, no they don't. He would need to be tip-toeing around corners to loose enough heat for that. Not to mention the 1000C brakes just cm's away.

Lateral loads create heat, and he is lapping numerous seconds a lap faster, and specifically cornering faster than HRT and Marussia, but we don't see those teams coming in with ice cold tyres.

Its a far more fundamental issue than just cold tyres.
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The heat from the tyres in cornering comes from the a lot from how the car corners. A MUCH better car with MUCH more downforce wouldn't slide sideways, nor push sideways on the tyres anywhere near as much as a worse car with awful downforce. Then there is the simple issue that, he's mentioned tyre heat as a potential reason for being slower, because he's comparing to Hamilton. Tyre heat wouldn't be an issue if Hamilton was exactly as slow as Button... its all relative. A HRT might have zero tyre heat, but be unable to go faster even if the tyres were at the perfect temperature anyway.

The only real comparison is vs Hamilton, who you can physically see is both faster(and not much of that is going to be down long straights with the same engine) and takes a much more aggressive line in corners.

Some drivers take very different lines, but different cars react differently, one car might want to take any easier line a bit faster, another car might react better taking a very tight line slower. All that can really be said is, Hamilton has got the car working, Button hasn't..... somehow its taken well over 2 years and he hasn't tried to copy Hamiltons line over a track and see if its faster.

ultimately I've said before, he doesn't have the balls for it. The best drivers will push the car on just about every corner, fighting on the limit and making adjustments as the front or back slide out of line ever so slightly. Button takes an easier line, a tad slower and not on the limit. I mean we're also basically assuming that with him saying SO many times that the tyre heat is a problem, that someone at Mclaren can physically see his tyre temps are lower.... they of course might not and just don't want to contridict Button publically and allow him to have the excuse.

I think most people can basically see that Button is a less aggressive driver and always has been, and it wouldn't be surprising if that costs you a little tyre temp. I still don't think he's significantly slower than any other season, he's always been slower, but the tyres do seem to stay better, longer, if you can work them well.
 
Skeeter said:
I think you will find that your "fans" out number us hard core real fan 10 to 1.
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Your not hard core...if you was you would be against

1-aerodynamics because a car has to be at least 1sec behind so he dont lose front traction.

2-Kers and DRS are 100% false racing

3- tires that are change every year and race. Again false racing.

But just take a look at F1 seasons 2007-2010 so close and awesome racing.
As BIG Ron says give the car back to the driver.
 
arknor said:
they bring him in because the tyres lose temprature and he can never warm them up again after, they come out of there blankets warmer and give him another chance to keep them warm.

but his girly driving style isnt creating enough friction to put heat into the tyres
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Nothing to do with that. There is some basic set up problem somewhere.. he is wearing them out so clearly isn't "driving like a girl" as you put it. The new tyres have a tiny window to work correctly in, narrower than last year. It isn't just a case of not getting them warmed up.

Skeeter said:
He ran the same rear suspension setup that Hamilton did, and he won the race, on a setup he felt was working the tyres far to hard to be able to do a 1 stop...
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Sounds like he had different suspension to Hamilton?

autosport said:
"Jenson is a great racing driver and we served him badly this weekend. His rear tyres were completely shot. We didn't long-run with this suspension set-up on Friday and that was our fault - as we didn't give him a race car he could perform in.

"But we know how smart and strong-minded he is. So he will keep his head up, and he could be the first driver to repeat a win this season."

Whitmarsh revealed that McLaren tried out a new rear suspension configuration with Button in Canada, to try and help him overcome his main problem which is switching the tyres on.
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It is pretty much impossible to please everyone.

Do i prefer the crazy unknown of this season to the domination of last season... Yes.

Is it being accomplished in the ideal way... No.

Hopefully it will be reigned in a bit, but I'm not sure that will be the case, with some of the track choices Iget the feeling what FOM want and fans want differs.
 
Uh, excuse me? What gives you the right to decide how much of a fan I'm allowed to be? Is that how it works in here now? Your not a real fan unless your complaining about everything? Or is it just if you don't agree with deuse?
 
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