car stolen. security recommendations for next car

HC1 said:
Thanks for confirming what I already know. Nothing in law has changed clearly. A nearby object, placed there on purpose or normally/innocently is open to interpretation as to why it was there. I'd love to get deep into this convo with you but the OP only wants to chat about car alarms and bollards etc so perhaps you can start a new topic on this subject that I can be open and honest with you about without me getting mod/admin warnings for candid off topic responses ???
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Picking up a bat from somewhere where you face no immediate danger and walking outside with it is not "innocent" no matter how you try and spin it. Suggesting so is dangerous as people might read your words and believe them to be true.

It is likely the case that you either didn't read the full detail of my post, read it and wilfully ignored it or you lack the capacity to understand it.
 
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Need a new thread with a poll.

Would you confront potentially armed criminals on your driveway trying to steal your car?

Yes - I definitely want to risk getting injured, potentially seriously, to protect a replaceable material object.
No - I value health, life and family more than material objects.
 
Just shows you why insurance is going up how it is. From sounds of it, stealing a car has few consequences
 
Kenai said:
Need a new thread with a poll.

Would you confront potentially armed criminals on your driveway trying to steal your car?

Yes - I definitely want to risk getting injured, potentially seriously, to protect a replaceable material object.
No - I value health, life and family more than material objects.
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Yes - I stand for what I believe in and will fight for it
 
Kenai said:
Need a new thread with a poll.

Would you confront potentially armed criminals on your driveway trying to steal your car?

Yes - I definitely want to risk getting injured, potentially seriously, to protect a replaceable material object.
No - I value health, life and family more than material objects.
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Yes - I stand for what I believe in and will fight for it
 
mattyg said:
Cars insured with back to invoice GAP insurance..... Come take it.....
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it might cover the value upto replacment cost for the stolen car ...
but
what about the increased premiums . i have 2 vans and my replacment car once insurance payout
premiums on last renewal had already more than doubled without a claim . £450 -> £980 for the car. and £350 -> £600 each on my vans.
now with a theft claim under my belt ALL the premiums will jump dramatically again . protected NCB is fine but they still load it as there was a theft even on the ones i have that i've not claimed on. try it on a quote comparison site, put you have 10 years NCB and a theft claim recently and watch the prices tripple eve with NCB on full.
spoke to my broker and they said to expect around a 60% price increase which over the 5 years the claim has to be declared for is going to be in excess of a £10,000 increase !!
if i lived in the countyside a shotgun to protect my stuff and herd of pigs to feed them to to would be the answer :)
 
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Kenai said:
Need a new thread with a poll.

Would you confront potentially armed criminals on your driveway trying to steal your car?

Yes - I definitely want to risk getting injured, potentially seriously, to protect a replaceable material object.
No - I value health, life and family more than material objects.
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Start that thread. I'm all in but I don't want to be the OP...
 
DRZ said:
Picking up a bat from somewhere where you face no immediate danger and walking outside with it is not "innocent" no matter how you try and spin it. Suggesting so is dangerous as people might read your words and believe them to be true.

It is likely the case that you either didn't read the full detail of my post, read it and wilfully ignored it or you lack the capacity to understand it.
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“Your honour I armed myself for fear of being attacked if there was someone outside as my alarm was going off, purely to protect myself. On going outside I noticed the burglar, I asked him to stop and instead he rushed at me. I defended myself as he said he would kill me and ran towards me. This is entirely reasonable self defence, sadly he died”

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“Your honour there was a guy stealing my car, instead of calling 999 I armed myself and went out to kill him to stop the theft, an Englishman’s home is his castle”
 
Unfortunately if you live in the vicinity of London, Bradford or Birmingham then this is what happens.

Obviously doesn't really help as that doesn't give you many places to live but they are the big three.

My daughter had her bike nicked in broad daylight from outside the local PC World. Guy just come straight in with the angle grinder and chopped off the lock.

We were brought up to respect the law and because of that we follow it. A lot of younger kids know they can get away with it now so just do it.
 
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Are there any known vulnerabilities on the car? My car has a very serious security design flaw in it and plenty have been stolen via this vulnerability, I bought something that patches the vulnerability from a well known member of enthusiast community for the car in question.

I'm not sure I would ever want a third party immobiliser on my car. I've read so many horror stories about them and it only takes that one moment for the immobilser to go wrong and you're either stuck somewhere or worse still, your car doesn't work and the manufacturer will happily blame the immobiliser to get out of any warranty work.

There was a guy stuck in France somewhere and his third party immobiliser wouldn't work, wouldn't accept the circumvention methods given to him in use of an emergency and the provider wasn't answering calls. He had a shuttle to catch which he eventually made but he was praying to God the immobilser wasn't going to cause issues when trying to start the car on the shuttle to drive off.

There has also been instances, including one on this very forum, of people having warranty repairs refused even though the issue isn't related to CANBUS interference.
 
Best just fitting a simple hidden switch. These modern keyless/wireless systems have very weak security. Thieves just use a signal repeater and unlock the car.
 
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I like when they smash the window to gain access to the OBD port, clone your wireless key and then simply walk away.

Car owner wakes up the next morning, reports it to police and insurance company, gets the broken glass replaced and thieves come back a week later with their cloned wireless key to gain easy entry and drive away with an undamaged vehicle.
 
hurfdurf said:
“Your honour I armed myself for fear of being attacked if there was someone outside as my alarm was going off, purely to protect myself. On going outside I noticed the burglar, I asked him to stop and instead he rushed at me. I defended myself as he said he would kill me and ran towards me. This is entirely reasonable self defence, sadly he died”

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“Your honour there was a guy stealing my car, instead of calling 999 I armed myself and went out to kill him to stop the theft, an Englishman’s home is his castle”
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The problem with the first attempt is that they only need to get as far as "I armed myself for fear of being attacked" before you fail the test. It is NOT LEGAL to arm yourself in self-defence, save for heat-of-the-moment stuff which isn't immediately "legal" but is a valid defence if you successfully argue that to the Police/CPS/Jury/Judge. There is a recent(ish) case where a burglar broke into a house, the 17yo living there stabbed the burglar, killing him. He was found not guilty of murder but was found guilty of manslaughter and the judge imposed a lengthy sentence anyway as he simply did not believe the defendant had picked up the knife in the way he said he had - ie he failed the heat-of-the-moment test... That is in a relatively clear case of a real and imminent threat with someone in your house. The CPS guidance etc is abundantly clear that these circumstances DO NOT APPLY outside of your house, even if it is on your property. Getting into a situation where you're swinging a bat at/stabbing a person in your garden/driveway is going to cause you way more trouble than a car is ever worth.
 
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DRZ said:
Getting into a situation where you're swinging a bat at/stabbing a person in your garden/driveway is going to cause you way more trouble than a car is ever worth.
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I've had my wrists slapped by an admin for my "legal" opinion/view but he/she was very polite/subtle about it so I'm not going to fuel this debate/discussion. However, in response to the above quote I have to say that is just your opinion and not the mantra that everyone would aspire to or agree with. A vehicle to some people can be as important/loved as a pet, partner, or even a child, so there is no way you can quantify a cars' worth to someone or advise that person how far to go in order to stop it being stolen off their property. Calling 999 these days just to report a stolen car or a car theft in progress will not guarantee you a rapid response rozzer visit within the 2 minutes it takes to steal a car.

These are the neutral words of a car owner and a law abiding citizen who works hard for his money and values his possessions. I won't/can't engage in "legal" debates/discussions.
 
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