Challenging a speed camera ticket due to no "change of speed" sign

[SheffMan]

Seriously, if you drove past those signs above and didn't realise you were entering a 30 zone then you don't deserve to have a driving licence.

Bearing in mind the great majority of drivers have had speeding tickets then you are implying the great majority of drivers (most of them never having had a serious accident) should not be on the road, which is a ludicrous comment.

In addition you seem you have missed this :

Drivers Still Getting Caught Out by Ringwood Road Speed Limit Change

Drivers using the A348 section of Ringwood Road near the Turbary Retail Park have been caught off guard by a recent change in the speed limit.

bournemouthdaily.co.uk

 

[Rroff]

Wait, are these the signs closest to where he was done, that he drove past?

They are close but not "that" close, there is another roundabout between that and the street they were on where they got caught - dunno if they've put up any more new signs but the area generally wasn't well signed for speed limits when I was down there last but having passed those 30s I'd have assumed it was all 30 unless indicated otherwise as before it was 40 signs there and you just had to assume the rest was 40.

I have a bit less sympathy in the light of the image Kenai posted because it makes it more vaguely 30 rather than the more vaguely 40 of before.

 

[Feek]

Bearing in mind the great majority of drivers have had speeding tickets then you are implying the great majority of drivers (most of them never having had a serious accident) should not be on the road, which is a ludicrous comment.

No, you specifically said there weren't any speed limit signs and it's been demonstrated otherwise. I'm only talking about this instance.

They are close but not "that" close, there is another roundabout between that and the street they were on where they got caught

Cool, so potentially speeding for quite some distance then.

 

[SheffMan]

I have a bit less sympathy in the light of the image Kenai posted because it makes it more vaguely 30 rather than the more vaguely 40 of before.

I agree with this. We were lost at the time and must have missed that 30 sign at the approach to the roundabout.
But the point is it should not be "vaguely" anything, particularly if there is a speed camera there !

 

[SheffMan]

No, you specifically said there weren't any speed limit signs and it's been demonstrated otherwise. I'm only talking about this instance.

Your comment basically implied that anyone who gets a speeding ticket because they do not know what the speed limit is at that point (or have forgotten because they have been distracted) does not deserve to have a driving licence.

Tell me, what about people who deliberately speed (and therefore, one assumes, know what the speed limit is but flout it anyway) but accidentally get caught by speed cameras, do they deserve to have a driving licence ?

Finally, which group would you have more sympathy with when they get a speeding ticket : deliberate speeders who accidentally get caught, or accidental speeders (only just over the soddin' limit at that) who accidentally get caught ?

 

[chanjy]

I agree with this. We were lost at the time and must have missed that 30 sign at the approach to the roundabout.
But the point is it should not be "vaguely" anything, particularly if there is a speed camera there !

It's not vague at all it's clearly 30

 

[SheffMan]

It's not vague at all it's clearly 30

Rubbish. The rule that "it's 30 if there are street lights" was only "clear" when (as the earlier quote stated) there :
1 - Weren't as many streetlights
2 - There were only two limits 30 and no limit

 

[Feek]

Your comment basically implied that anyone who gets a speeding ticket because they do not know what the speed limit is at that point (or have forgotten because they have been distracted) does not deserve to have a driving licence.

There is no implication, I was quite specific so don't put words into my mouth.

if you drove past those signs above and didn't realise you were entering a 30 zone then you don't deserve to have a driving licence.

Tell me, what about people who deliberately speed (and therefore, one assumes, know what the speed limit is but flout it anyway) but accidentally get caught by speed cameras, do they deserve to have a driving licence ?

My comment is aimed at your lack of observational skills, if you didn't see those signs then you either have vision problems and therefore shouldn't be driving or you didn't understand them and therefore shouldn't be driving.

 

[Dis86]

Bearing in mind the great majority of drivers have had speeding tickets then you are implying the great majority of drivers (most of them never having had a serious accident) should not be on the road, which is a ludicrous comment.

In addition you seem you have missed this :

Drivers Still Getting Caught Out by Ringwood Road Speed Limit Change

Drivers using the A348 section of Ringwood Road near the Turbary Retail Park have been caught off guard by a recent change in the speed limit.

bournemouthdaily.co.uk

You're wrong on that by a long stretch. Only 44% of drivers are estimated to have had a speeding ticket.

 

[Rroff]

It's not vague at all it's clearly 30

If you actually drive around those roads there it is kind of vague what the speed limits actually are - there is (or was) quite a bit of distance with different road types and roundabouts, etc. mixed in without speed limit repeaters - I don't know how much Google Maps conveys it (though it is outdated now compared to existing limits) but I was quite glad to have the speed limit detection (which is fortunately fairly accurate) on my dash when down there.

It isn't like with some towns where you pass a 30 on entry and it is clearly all the same built up area - there is a bit of a sprawling mess on the edge of Poole and Bournemouth there.

 

[SheffMan]

You're wrong on that by a long stretch. Only 44% of drivers are estimated to have had a speeding ticket.

Where did you get that stat from ? I cannot remember when I last talked to a driver who has never had a speeding ticket.

 

[SheffMan]

There is no implication, I was quite specific so don't put words into my mouth.
My comment is aimed at your lack of observational skills, if you didn't see those signs then you either have vision problems and therefore shouldn't be driving or you didn't understand them and therefore shouldn't be driving.

Your comments must equally apply to everyone in a similar situation, who (apart from the deliberate speeders who "accidentally get caught") would be pretty much all those who get speeding tickets.
On the subject of which I would like an answer to my question :

Tell me, what about people who deliberately speed (and therefore, one assumes, know what the speed limit is but flout it anyway) but accidentally get caught by speed cameras, do they deserve to have a driving licence ?

 

[Dis86]

Where did you get that stat from ? I cannot remember when I last talked to a driver who has never had a speeding ticket.

That would be the government via .gov

Not your mate Steve.

I've never had a speeding ticket. Nor has my wife. Nor have any of our parents.

 

[Feek]

Your comments must equally apply to everyone in a similar situation

Wait, you're telling me who my comments apply to? When I've specifically explained already that my comment was aimed at you.

Tell me, what about people who deliberately speed (and therefore, one assumes, know what the speed limit is but flout it anyway) but accidentally get caught by speed cameras, do they deserve to have a driving licence ?

If they're speeding on purpose, that shows their eyesight is good enough that they can see the speed limit signs and that they understand the signs. I don't have a problem with them having a driving licence.

The way I see this, you've repeatedly said that there were no signs but as has been demonstrated above, there were signs, at least two regular signs and one big one showing that there's a new 30mph speed limit in force. So either you didn't see them, in which case your eyesight is below spec, or you saw them but didn't understand them and either of those are good enough reasons for my comments.

I cannot remember when I last talked to a driver who has never had a speeding ticket.

My wife's never had one. My mum never had one and neither did my mother in law. My sister's never been done for speeding either. I have (but not for over 30 years) and each time, I was aware I was speeding.

 

[tom_e]

Have you challenged this yet if it's so obviously unfair and unclear?

If not then we're just going round in circles really aren't we.

 

[Rroff]

My wife's never had one. My mum never had one and neither did my mother in law. My sister's never been done for speeding either. I have (but not for over 30 years) and each time, I was aware I was speeding.

Only my mum and myself haven't been done for speeding out of my family unfortunately - though all kind of silly ones like doing 1MPH over the threshold on an empty motorway at night, etc. :s

 

[Feek]

Have you challenged this yet if it's so obviously unfair and unclear?

I was wondering how the parliamentary petition was going.

 

[Rroff]

The way I see this, you've repeatedly said that there were no signs but as has been demonstrated above, there were signs, at least two regular signs and one big one showing that there's a new 30mph speed limit in force. So either you didn't see them, in which case your eyesight is below spec, or you saw them but didn't understand them and either of those are good enough reasons for my comments.

Something I was never really taught (at least not spelled out) when learning to drive but I've come to use when driving is to look for the signs in red (like the "new 30 MPH limit" sign) it is sometimes difficult to break down what you are looking at and what you need to take note of these days with the mess that is too often the case with layouts and signage but using that as a starting point for taking information onboard helps a lot.

I don't think there is enough appreciation from road planners these days as to the challenges of information overload, etc. (albeit in this case there is a lack of relevant signage over the area as a whole when it comes to the speed limit).

 

[Feek]

Something I was never really taught (at least not spelled out) when learning to drive but I've come to use when driving is to look for the signs in red (like the "new 30 MPH limit" sign) it is sometimes difficult to break down what you are looking at and what you need to take note of these days with the mess that is too often the case with layouts and signage but using that as a starting point for taking information onboard helps a lot.

He's been driving for 34 years though, you'd expect he'd know this by now.

Perhaps it is an eyesight thing.

There did not appear to be a big "change of speed limit" sign which is what one would have expected

 

[Kenai]

This is rubbish,

It's not rubbish at all and none of your desperate waffling and copy and pasting from the "Road Enthusiasts" website you also posted this thread on changes that in the slightest. It's got signs for 30, you drove past them, nothing else told you it was any different. It's not a confusing scenario at all, you just want it to be because you don't have the maturity to admit this was entirely your own fault.

you must be the only person that thinks the speed limit is obvious in all scenarios. What with the advent of variable limits it isn't even "obvious at all times" on the motorway anymore.

It is, even with the exception of an entire gantry perhaps being broken, at which point you just carry on as per the last posted limit you saw.

I suspect you are just arguing for the sake of it but just to check, have you read this ? It makes total sense to me and if you have read it I cannot see how you can have written what you have :

I have read it, so some other person on your "Road Enthusiasts" website is finding it hard to do simple aspects of driving too, whoopty ****ing do, so what? It doesn't make you any more in correct in all your crying and it doesn't make it any less your mistake and your mistake alone for driving past 30 limit signs, seeing no other limit signage and concluding that means the limit is 40.