Challenging a speed camera ticket due to no "change of speed" sign

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If you actually drive around those roads there it is kind of vague what the speed limits actually are - there is (or was) quite a bit of distance with different road types and roundabouts, etc. mixed in without speed limit repeaters - I don't know how much Google Maps conveys it (though it is outdated now compared to existing limits) but I was quite glad to have the speed limit detection (which is fortunately fairly accurate) on my dash when down there.

It isn't like with some towns where you pass a 30 on entry and it is clearly all the same built up area - there is a bit of a sprawling mess on the edge of Poole and Bournemouth there.
I suspect this is a part of why this section and roads around it are 30 too now, it unifies a lot of those roads into a consistent limit and you're not constantly driving between 30, 40 and 50 limits every other roundabout/junction for no real benefit.
 
Must be a troll as he signed up to this forum to post this nonsense

It isn't the most intuitive area, on the edge of two different built up areas, for what the speed limit is if you drive much distance through it (as a non-local). But as above I've less sympathy seeing the updated signage which as Kenai mentioned may be partly to remove ambiguity.
 
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That speed camera was put in in 2023 and is on the streetview with no 30mph change of speed limit sign.....
Incidentally I woudl be interested to know why that camera was put in.
I have looked at Crash Map for that site and there were only 6 "Slight" accidents (non serious and no fatalities) in the 6 years before that camera went in (i.e. from 2018 to 2023) at that site :

2018 = none
2019 = 1
2020 = 1
2021 = 4
2022= none
2023 = none

That is not many considering how busy that road is.

To be fair Crashmap's defintion of "slight" accident is purely on the seriousness of any injuries. There was a pretty bad accident near our house with some prat in an Audi (of course it was...) who wrote his car off with both air bags deployed and that was still classified as "slight".
Put there simply as a cash grab
 
They have to get a legal TRO in place before they can do that. No TRO no cashing in. Any fines issued are also illegal, as many councils have discovered to their cost.
 
Just another bit of confusion from the OP (he seems very easily confused), the camera has been there for ages (at least 15 years), it wasn't "put in in 2023", and if you look at the earlier years on that map he links to, that road/area is littered with incidents.

The fact there are very few in recent years could perhaps imply the presence of the camera has had a positive impact on road safety at that particular spot.
 
He's been driving for 34 years though, you'd expect he'd know this by now.

Perhaps it is an eyesight thing.



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We were lost in Bournemouth for Gawd's sake and the thing about signs (other than speed limit signs which all drivers are on the look out for) is the more you put up the less people see them.
This is all argumentative cobblers anyway, we all know it is getting increasingly difficult to be certain of the speed limits at all points on one's journey, particularly in an area one is not familiar with. To argue otherwise is, well, just arguing for the sake of it.
The only other thing is that limit (on a primary route dual carriageway for Pete's sake....) was never needed anyway, as the Crash map stats prove. I would love to know the justification for it. Most drivers, certainly sub consciously (i.e. what comes to the fore when ones attention is distracted), would assume it was 40mph.
 
Just another bit of confusion from the OP (he seems very easily confused), the camera has been there for ages (at least 15 years), it wasn't "put in in 2023", and if you look at the earlier years on that map he links to, that road/area is littered with incidents.

The fact there are very few in recent years could perhaps imply the presence of the camera has had a positive impact on road safety at that particular spot.
Stop muddying the waters. The speed limit was dropped in 2023 which is what we are talking about. If people were getting caught by a speed camera there when it was 40 I'd have had no sympathy for them, particularly as they would have actually been doing probably 45+ to get a ticket, possibly indicating nearly 50.
 
Stop muddying the waters. The speed limit was dropped in 2023 which is what we are talking about. If people were getting caught by a speed camera there when it was 40 I'd have had no sympathy for them, particularly as they would have actually been doing probably 45+ to get a ticket, possibly indicating nearly 50.
I'm not muddying anything just clearing up and correcting the various things you're obviously struggling with.
 
If they're speeding on purpose, that shows their eyesight is good enough that they can see the speed limit signs and that they understand the signs. I don't have a problem with them having a driving licence.
This is an incredible post, I literally cannot believe it (assuming you aren't trolling of course).
You are saying that anyone who accidentally gets caught marginally speeding because they are unsure what the speed limit is "does not deserve to have a licence", but you "do not have a problem with" drivers who are deliberately speeding.

As I was walking through Hillsborough this morning (on a SC street through a shopping area.....) some cretin in a Golf GTi with an anti socially loud exhaust came wazzing through doing at least 45, possibly even 50mph. I assume he "could see the speed limit signs" (not that there actually are any of course as it really is, quite obviously, 30mph....) so I take it you have no problem with him having a licence ?
Well I do, it ****** me off big time that I got a speeding ticket for accidentally doing 36mph (on a primary route DC ! ) and cretins like him are getting away with driving like that. It's all wrong.
 
I'm not muddying anything just clearing up and correcting the various things you're obviously struggling with.
No, you are muddying the waters and you know full well you are. We are talking about the speed limit not the camera. The fact is I would not have got a ticket had the limit been 40mph, which it was until only two years ago.

Just out of interest, do you think that wazzock in the Golf "should have a licence" ? Or are we going to disagree on that as well ? :

As I was walking through Hillsborough this morning (on a SC street through a shopping area.....) some cretin in a Golf GTi with an anti socially loud exhaust came wazzing through doing at least 45, possibly even 50mph. I assume he "could see the speed limit signs" (not that there actually are any of course as it really is, quite obviously, 30mph....) so I take it you have no problem with him having a licence ?
Well I do, it ****** me off big time that I got a speeding ticket for accidentally doing 36mph (on a primary route DC ! ) and cretins like him are getting away with driving like that. It's all wrong.
 

Put there simply as a cash grab

the camera has been there for ages (at least 15 years), it wasn't "put in in 2023"

No, you are muddying the waters and you know full well you are.

Not at all, just providing clarification for others on the incorrect rubbish you've been posting in this thread in your ongoing desperation to not take any personal responsibility for a situation that was caused by literally nothing else except your own lack of driving ability.

Just out of interest, do you think that wazzock in the Golf "should have a licence" ? Or are we going to disagree on that as well ?

They're probably safer overall than someone that gets so easily flustered and lost on a 'primary route dual carriageway' that they can no longer maintain enough composure to see speed limit signs. That said, your repeated demonstrations of poor understanding and judgement in this thread, it wouldn't surprise me if the Golf was only doing about 35mph but you were confused into thinking it was faster just because it made a loud noise.
 
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The hilarity in this thread is the total refusal to simply admit it and take responsibility.

"Yeah, I messed up. I missed the signs and made a mistake."
 
They [a driver doing 45 to 50mph up a shopping street] are probably safer overall than someone that gets so easily flustered and lost on a 'primary route dual carriageway' that they can no longer maintain enough composure to see speed limit signs. That said, your repeated demonstrations of poor understanding and judgement in this thread, it wouldn't surprise me if the Golf was only doing about 35mph but you were confused into thinking it was faster just because it made a loud noise.
Now I know you are trolling.

>>it wouldn't surprise me if the Golf was only doing about 35mph but you were confused into thinking it was faster just because it made a loud noise.<<

I am pretty good at judging car's speeds, I would put money on the fact he was doing 45 to 50mph
 
The hilarity in this thread is the total refusal to simply admit it and take responsibility.
"Yeah, I messed up. I missed the signs and made a mistake.
Tens of thousands of drivers accidentally getting speeding tickets because the speed limits are so soddin' complicated these days (and there are so many speed cameras) is absolutely hysterical.
Yeah, if you say so.
 
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I am pretty good at judging car's speeds, I would put money on the fact he was doing 45 to 50mph
That'd be surprising given you're clearly not very good at judging very obvious things like speed limits which have big numbers on signs to help you.
 
The hilarity in this thread is the total refusal to simply admit it and take responsibility.

"Yeah, I messed up. I missed the signs and made a mistake."

Unfortunately I live too far away to nip down get some footage and I can't find anything on YT which covers the bit the OP was doing but it is honestly not an intuitive road or overall well signed bit of road for what the speed limit is, albeit as before I have a lot less sympathy having seen Kenai's photo showing the new speed limit signs off the end of the 50MPH bit. Pictures/Google Street View don't really convey the sense of driving through that area as a whole.
 
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Unfortunately I live too far away to nip down get some footage and I can't find anything on YT which covers the bit the OP was doing but it is honestly not an intuitive road or overall well signed bit of road for what the speed limit is, albeit as before I have a lot less sympathy having seen Kenai's photo showing the new speed limit signs off the end of the 50MPH bit. Pictures/Google Street View don't really convey the sense of driving through that area as a whole.
I've actually bothered to look at the location properly now. We go to Poole once a year when we get on the ferry to Guernsey so I've checked the route we take and it's along that stretch of road. My driving licence is remarkably free from speeding tickets.
 
Unfortunately I live too far away to nip down get some footage and I can't find anything on YT which covers the bit the OP was doing but it is honestly not an intuitive road or overall well signed bit of road for what the speed limit is, albeit as before I have a lot less sympathy having seen Kenai's photo showing the new speed limit signs off the end of the 50MPH bit. Pictures/Google Street View don't really convey the sense of driving through that area as a whole.
The nub of the issue is that Bournemouth needs an *** please check the rules, disguised swearing is not allowed *** bypass.....
The A31 should be a GS DC from Ameysford to the A350.
 
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