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Check Your 4090's 12vhpwr Connectors To Make Sure They are in Pristine Condition

Well the Cablemod cable certainly goes in even easier I'll say that much. It's a lot neater looking and less of a mess under my 4090 now. I had no issues with the adapter at all and was tempted to just leave it connected but when I seen the cable I ordered I had to install it.


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Do you feel comfortable closing your case with that cable?

I have an O11 XL with 4090 FE. I bought the cablemod 12vhpwr modmesh cable and it is rather stiff... it feels like a lot of strain on the connector when bending the cables to close my side panel!

Modflex (which I think you have there) is definitely the way to go!
 
Do you feel comfortable closing your case with that cable?

I have an O11 XL with 4090 FE. I bought the cablemod 12vhpwr modmesh cable and it is rather stiff... it feels like a lot of strain on the connector when bending the cables to close my side panel!

Modflex (which I think you have there) is definitely the way to go!
So mines is modmesh actually and I don’t really have a concern with it. O11 AIR Mini here and I don’t have a concern. I think at the end of the day the advisory around the cable was based on information out there to begin with to take precautions.

Considering the real issue appears to be having a flush/solid connection it alleviates that concern somewhat in terms of the cable.

Even with the side panel closed the connection is unaffected which is the main thing. Not as much flex as the original adapter of course but it seems ok to me.
 
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Much cleaner :)

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My 4x 8 pin adapter after 3 weeks of use it's just fine, but with a macro shot you can see the factory mould marks on the plastic end of the pins, wouldn't take much for plastic debris to make it's way in when they are making them.

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PCI-SIG, the group that governs PCIe standards, has issued an email to all of its members and their suppliers regarding melting 12VHPWR cables. That email was technically private, but so many groups were on the email that it inevitably got passed around and ended up in our hands too.

As a reminder, 12VHPWR is the official name for the new PCIe 5.0 12+4-pin cable used on some current and upcoming high-power graphics cards and is capable of handling 600W sustained on a single cable.

You may have already seen this story covered on some rumor sites citing that the problem is with adapters converting to 8-pin PCIe connectors, but that’s incorrect and may have been based on incomplete information. Here’s what the email had to say:


“Please be advised that PCI-SIG has become aware that some implementations of the 12VHPWR connectors and assemblies have demonstrated thermal variance, which could result in safety issues under certain conditions. Although PCI-SIG specifications provide necessary information for interoperability, they do not attempt to encompass all aspects of proper design, relying on numerous industry best-known methods and standard design practices. As the PCI-SIG workgroups include many knowledgeable experts in the field of connector and system design, they will be looking at the information available about this industry issue and assisting in any resolution to whatever extent is appropriate.”

“As more details emerge, PCI-SIG may provide further updates. In the meantime, we recommend members work closely with their connector vendors and exercise due diligence in using high-power connections, particularly where safety concerns may exist.”

The PDF explains that Nvidia has been testing 12VHPWR connectors to validate that prototype power supplies and cables can meet the specification of 55A continuous. During this testing, Nvidia found certain cable routing conditions led to excess heat and, in some cases, melting.

The conditions required for the excess heat were either subjecting the cables to severe bending or a high number of mating cycles (about 40). Cables tested in these scenarios exhibited hot spots at roughly 2 and a half hours, and melting at 10 to 30 hours. Connectors from multiple suppliers have failed.

This is with a continuous 55A of current (or 660W at 12V), which would not be a typical load condition, especially not in gaming. Nvidia did not observe any failures on connectors with low mating cycles and without any bend.

Photos provided in the PDF show some pretty gruesome melting, and it’s not in the same area each time. The failures occurred on different pins depending on the direction the cable was bent. This could be seriously dangerous.

The document includes per-pin measurements taken during the testing. As the cable was bent in various directions, severe current imbalance resulted from huge swings in resistance. We’ll use the last set of data as an example as it’s the most severe. The resistance in pins 3 and 4 measured high, especially pin 3, resulting in a measured 36.4A on a single pin, or 436W on a single pin, leading to a hotspot temperature of 180 degrees celsius. By the way, the current rating of stranded 16AWG is only between 5A to 7A, so we’re talking about 5 to 7 times the rated current.

The PDF goes on to hypothesize that the bending and side-loading cause the plug to improperly seat in the receptacle, perhaps deforming it. The testing conditions might seem extreme, with the cable being bent around at full load for hours on end, but this kind of thing is done to ensure a margin of safety as products get used and age in various circumstances.

Group members are encouraged to do independent testing and share the results with Nvidia, who also has volunteered to work with the manufacturers of the connectors to fix this issue. Nvidia and the PCI-SIG are trying to get ahead of a potential problem before it is allowed to become widespread.

Our opinion is that while the situation is serious and should be taken seriously, this isn’t likely to be a problem that you’ll encounter in your gaming PCs. The test conditions are intentionally extreme in a way that you likely won’t have in your own system, especially if you take care not to put too much strain on any of your cables and connectors. It’s never a good practice to shove, bend, or cram any cables.

Source: GamersNexus
 
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PCI-SIG, the group that governs PCIe standards, has issued an email to all of its members and their suppliers regarding melting 12VHPWR cables. That email was technically private, but so many groups were on the email that it inevitably got passed around and ended up in our hands too.

As a reminder, 12VHPWR is the official name for the new PCIe 5.0 12+4-pin cable used on some current and upcoming high-power graphics cards and is capable of handling 600W sustained on a single cable.

You may have already seen this story covered on some rumor sites citing that the problem is with adapters converting to 8-pin PCIe connectors, but that’s incorrect and may have been based on incomplete information. Here’s what the email had to say:


“Please be advised that PCI-SIG has become aware that some implementations of the 12VHPWR connectors and assemblies have demonstrated thermal variance, which could result in safety issues under certain conditions. Although PCI-SIG specifications provide necessary information for interoperability, they do not attempt to encompass all aspects of proper design, relying on numerous industry best-known methods and standard design practices. As the PCI-SIG workgroups include many knowledgeable experts in the field of connector and system design, they will be looking at the information available about this industry issue and assisting in any resolution to whatever extent is appropriate.”

“As more details emerge, PCI-SIG may provide further updates. In the meantime, we recommend members work closely with their connector vendors and exercise due diligence in using high-power connections, particularly where safety concerns may exist.”

The PDF explains that Nvidia has been testing 12VHPWR connectors to validate that prototype power supplies and cables can meet the specification of 55A continuous. During this testing, Nvidia found certain cable routing conditions led to excess heat and, in some cases, melting.

The conditions required for the excess heat were either subjecting the cables to severe bending or a high number of mating cycles (about 40). Cables tested in these scenarios exhibited hot spots at roughly 2 and a half hours, and melting at 10 to 30 hours. Connectors from multiple suppliers have failed.

This is with a continuous 55A of current (or 660W at 12V), which would not be a typical load condition, especially not in gaming. Nvidia did not observe any failures on connectors with low mating cycles and without any bend.

Photos provided in the PDF show some pretty gruesome melting, and it’s not in the same area each time. The failures occurred on different pins depending on the direction the cable was bent. This could be seriously dangerous.

The document includes per-pin measurements taken during the testing. As the cable was bent in various directions, severe current imbalance resulted from huge swings in resistance. We’ll use the last set of data as an example as it’s the most severe. The resistance in pins 3 and 4 measured high, especially pin 3, resulting in a measured 36.4A on a single pin, or 436W on a single pin, leading to a hotspot temperature of 180 degrees celsius. By the way, the current rating of stranded 16AWG is only between 5A to 7A, so we’re talking about 5 to 7 times the rated current.

The PDF goes on to hypothesize that the bending and side-loading cause the plug to improperly seat in the receptacle, perhaps deforming it. The testing conditions might seem extreme, with the cable being bent around at full load for hours on end, but this kind of thing is done to ensure a margin of safety as products get used and age in various circumstances.

Group members are encouraged to do independent testing and share the results with Nvidia, who also has volunteered to work with the manufacturers of the connectors to fix this issue. Nvidia and the PCI-SIG are trying to get ahead of a potential problem before it is allowed to become widespread.

Our opinion is that while the situation is serious and should be taken seriously, this isn’t likely to be a problem that you’ll encounter in your gaming PCs. The test conditions are intentionally extreme in a way that you likely won’t have in your own system, especially if you take care not to put too much strain on any of your cables and connectors. It’s never a good practice to shove, bend, or cram any cables.

Source: GamersNexus

Thisnis old news. Everything here was posted by SIG 2 months ago, not sure why you're reposting it
 
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Well the Cablemod cable certainly goes in even easier I'll say that much. It's a lot neater looking and less of a mess under my 4090 now. I had no issues with the adapter at all and was tempted to just leave it connected but when I seen the cable I ordered I had to install it.


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This looks much cleaner. I’d change just for that to be honest.
 
my new cablemod just arrived and it works fine.

Only one thing which I don't like is the plastic thing with logo around the connector which for some reason is loose.

It did not make click sound when I plugged it first time.
 
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my new cablemod just arrived and it works fine.

Only one thing which I don't like is the plastic thing with logo around the connector which for some reason is loose.

It did not make click sound when I plugged it first time.

Take that plastic thing off
 
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