Chemical attack in London...

If the attacker is known, he will be caught.
I expect he will get some sort of light punishment vs the victims. As is the way
 

Some key points from the police update​

Here's a bit more from that statement, issued by the Met's Superintendent Gabriel Cameron, about last night's "corrosive substance" attack:
  • The targeted victims were a woman, aged 31, and her two daughters, aged eight and three. They all remain in hospital
  • While none of their conditions are life-threatening, the injuries to the woman and younger girl could be life-changing, police say
  • Three women - two in their 30s and one in her 50s - who were injured when they tried to help have all been discharged from hospital with minor burn injuries
  • Five officers who were injured as they responded have also been treated and have left hospital
  • A man in his 50s, who also helped, declined hospital treatment for minor injuries that he suffered
On the attack itself, Supt Cameron gave the following update:
  • Initial reports to police were that a man, the suspect, had thrown a child to the ground and that a substance - now known to be alkaline - had been thrown
  • The man attempted to make off in a car but collided with a stationary vehicle, and then made off on foot, in the direction of Clapham Common
  • A manhunt is under way to find him
  • "We believe the man and woman are known to each other," police add. "Our investigation is in its early stages and we are working to establish why this awful incident has happened"
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That update implies that the mother and 3 year old girl could be blinded :(
 
I think intent to permanently disfigure someone ought to be treated worse than murder because they have to suffer the rest of their life with it and I can't imagine the risk of suicide is low either.

Unfortunately the vast majority of the time it's in done in rage and so no punishment will ever be suitable to deter it, but maybe it would stop some of the scrotes carrying bottles of acid into clubs.
 
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200sols said:
17 years is not life though, although our justice system thinks it is.
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Our justice system is broken though, same as pretty much everything else, unless of course you get caught doing 110mph on bike at 5am on a Sunday morning with the sun shining and nothing else on the road. Then its 2years for you with no early release. Your a bad person and destroying the fabric of our society. So lose your job, house and everything else you own and dont do it again.

p.s

Feel free to rob and do what you need to do once you get out though, no problems.
 
VincentHanna said:
You think violent criminals all carry a crime gene?
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The only valid objection would be based on ethics. As it would be removing personal choice and freedom

If you oppose it on ethical reasons then the above is sufficient, if you try to say it doesn't work anyway instead of using a ethical argument then you are wrong.
 
SPG said:
Our justice system is broken though, same as pretty much everything else, unless of course you get caught doing 110mph on bike at 5am on a Sunday morning with the sun shining and nothing else on the road. Then its 2years for you with no early release. Your a bad person and destroying the fabric of our society. So lose your job, house and everything else you own and dont do it again.

p.s

Feel free to rob and do what you need to do once you get out though, no problems.
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Robbery is getting out of hand.
There's literally no punishment for mild shop lifting. The longer it goes on worse it will get.

If I fell on really bad times I'd do it. Because.. Why not. Better than being on the streets if it came to that
 
413x said:
Robbery is getting out of hand.
There's literally no punishment for mild shop lifting. The longer it goes on worse it will get.

If I fell on really bad times I'd do it. Because.. Why not. Better than being on the streets if it came to that
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There's no reason to be on the streets though. If you need food you can get it from one of the thousands of food banks, help with bills can be done also.
There is masses of help available before you need to resort to shoplifting.
 
Nutty667 said:
There's no reason to be on the streets though. If you need food you can get it from one of the thousands of food banks, help with bills can be done also.
There is masses of help available before you need to resort to shoplifting.
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I don't know about your area but food banks round here are really struggling.

Besides.. If I'd been dealt that bad a hand, I'd not really care about morals, getting caught etc.
 
Dis86 said:
Look up the MAOA gene.
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Bit of a stretch to call a genetical defect that can cause psychiatric problems a "crime" gene, but if we take that on face value it does open up a interesting philisophical debate about culpability. If you have a genetical disorder that makes you prone to uncontrollable violent behaviour, are you morally culpable for your behaviour? And should you be punished equally to others that don't have such genetical urges?

That's not to say there shouldn't be any response, ie: if you have shown yourself to be a threat against society than you should be incarcerated for societies safety, but it's the difference between say, being kept in solitary in a Cat A prison and being detained for life in an institution.

Didn't they do a study once on the most violent criminals in the USA, and a high proportion of them had specific chromosomal abnormalities that led to extreme violent behaviour.
 
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