Child sex trafficking ring found guilty

bitslice · 15 May 2013 at 13:47

Craterloads said:
Jees, seems someones obssessed with race/ethinicity/religion

I'm just reporting the story you numpty, would you care to rephrase all that but leave out the words you highlighted, sheesh :rolleyes:

That really was one of the most retarded replies to anyone so far in this thread. OMG someone used the word Pakastani in a thread about Pakastanis. FFS get a grip.

Possibly one of the most retarded posts ive had the pleasure of reading. Thanks for the laugh.

Sorry, but those were the points made by a Pakastani documentary reporter, so really you are laughing at him.
Nice try though

For what it's worth he did seem a pretty astute guy and it was brave of him to report on his own community.

zenf · 15 May 2013 at 13:49

elmarko said:
Not really, the catholic church as an organisation was complicit in the cover up.

But not all of them, what about all the good Catholics? Why should they be tarred with the same brush? Was it only mentioned that these guys were catholic priests when it was 100% proven that the church had attempted to cover it up, or before?

Regardless of whether the church tried to cover it up, would it not be worth mentioning that these paedophiles were priests purely on the merit of there being an obvious trend?

elmarko · 15 May 2013 at 13:50

scorza said:
Their target is racial.

And?, the people who did it are individuals, neither are their actions representative of the wider population of people of that ethnic group.

Would it be fair to use BNP voting skin-heads as an approximation of all white people?.

I'm not saying the selection process of these didn't have racial elements, neither am I ignoring the fact that certain cultural tendencies can sometimes be twisted into fitting these patterns.

But to claim the racial identity of the people in question is important is frankly stupid & to claim we need to get tough on "immigrants" as others have in this thread is just another form of bigotry.

Looking at the data posted earlier, paedophilia is actually more common in the white population (compared to the base) - I could argue from the perspective of a moderate Islamic person that the reason for this is the "white culture of over-sexualising children".

But to say, send back the "white people" would be equally stupid.

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 13:50

bitslice said:
I'm just reporting the story you numpty, would you care to rephrase all that but leave out the words you highlighted, sheesh

Sorry, but those were the points made by a Pakastani documentary reporter, so really you are laughing at him.
Nice try though

No i'm laughing at you

Do his points stand more scrutiny because of his ethnicity? If indeed these were his points or simply the manifestations of your imagination.

elmarko · 15 May 2013 at 13:52

zenf said:
But not all of them, what about all the good Catholics? Why should they be tarred with the same brush? Was it only mentioned that these guys were catholic priests when it was 100% proven that the church had attempted to cover it up, or before?

Nice avoidance.

The fact is, the catholic church already has a history (as a organisation) for being complicit in the cover up of child abuse.

The forum didn't say "A white catholic priest".

The over-arching fact is, all racial groups & cultures have paedophiles - some cultural attitudes are part to blame (on both sides) - to focus on the race of the person involved as many in this thread have done is a sign of bigotry.

Dis86 · 15 May 2013 at 13:55

PapaLazaru said:
No it is not. Have you considered that they were targeted purely as they were the most vunerable? Have you also considered that just maybe, it is the poorer upbringing of white lower class girls that lead them to be in care and vunerable in the first place?

Who is to know that if there were not an abundance of vunerable young female muslim women they may have been targeteed the same? And maybe that muslim children ar brought up better?

So what you're saying is that even though it's been proven they only went after a specific demographic of WHITE girls who were vulnerable, they didn't specifically go after WHITE girls who were vulnerable?

No black or asian girls who were 'vulnerable' were targetted by them. All victims were young WHITE females. Propose what you like but the facts are they chose their victims based upon race.

bitslice · 15 May 2013 at 13:58

Craterloads said:
No i'm laughing at you

How do you work that out when I'm simply giving you the highlights of a documentary?
These are not my posts you numpty, they are his :rolleyes:

Do you laugh at newsreaders when they report something you don't agree with?

Do his points stand more scrutiny because of his ethnicity?

I'd take the comments of a Pakastani guy talking about his own community as being more valid and insightful, than say your comments about anything. So yes.

If indeed these were his points or simply the manifestations of your imagination.

Go watch it yourself, then come back here and apologise for pretending to know more about a community than it's own members.

zenf · 15 May 2013 at 14:00

elmarko said:
The over-arching fact is, all racial groups & cultures have paedophiles - some cultural attitudes are part to blame (on both sides) - to focus on the race of the person involved as many in this thread have done is a sign of bigotry.

I completely agree with you there, I see this as a cultural problem and nothing else.

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:02

Dis86 said:
So what you're saying is that even though it's been proven they only went after a specific demographic of WHITE girls who were vulnerable, they didn't specifically go after WHITE girls who were vulnerable?

No black or asian girls who were 'vulnerable' were targetted by them. All victims were young WHITE females. Propose what you like but the facts are they chose their victims based upon race.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the rochdale "pedo gang" leader

repeatedly raped a young Asian girl over a period of a decade

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/21/ringleader-rochdale-paedophiles-named

The court heard that he raped and sexually abused a young Asian girl over many years and that he treated her as a "possession", using her for his own sexual gratification

The only raping "white girls" theory is out of the window.

As has been said earlier in this thread rapists/pedo's will select the easiest and most available targets. Nothing to do with skin colour or religion, unless of coarse that sort of thing gets them off.

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:03

bitslice said:
Go watch it yourself, then come back here and apologise for pretending to know more about a community than it's own members.

lol, never mind ...

bitslice · 15 May 2013 at 14:09

Craterloads said:
lol, never mind ...

So same community then?
Best take it up with Channel 4 for misrepresentation then, not my problem

But then it is always easier to reply lol, than it is to argue to points made.

Dis86 · 15 May 2013 at 14:10

Craterloads said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but the rochdale "pedo gang" leader

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/21/ringleader-rochdale-paedophiles-named

The only raping "white girls" theory is out of the window.

As has been said earlier in this thread rapists/pedo's will select the easiest and most available targets. Nothing to do with skin colour or religion, unless of coarse that sort of thing gets them off.

Have I had a geography fail here? I didn't think Rochdale was in Oxfordshire!?

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:12

bitslice said:
So same community then?
Best take it up with Channel 4 for misrepresentation then, not my problem

But then it is always easier to reply lol, than it is to argue to points made.

There's obviously no arguing with someone who is so bent up about race/religion, ignores the actual facts and who has a history of such.

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:16

Dis86 said:
Have I had a geography fail here? I didn't think Rochdale was in Oxfordshire!?

So you're basing your assumptions off of 8 men, i thought this was cultural/race thing considering the claimed "all rape gangs are pakistani/muslims" issue.

Dis86 · 15 May 2013 at 14:21

Craterloads said:
So you're basing your assumptions off of 8 men, i thought this was cultural/race thing considering the claimed "all rape gangs are pakistani/muslims" issue.

Where did I say that?

I said in this SPECIFIC CASE (that in the original post which relates to oxfordshire) that the victims were white females. Never commented on any others.

Neutralmilk · 15 May 2013 at 14:22

Dis86 said:
Have I had a geography fail here? I didn't think Rochdale was in Oxfordshire!?

Ah so not all of the rape gangs are the same then? Why is one race being singled out in this case then? People are saying "Send them back" and so on but only applying it to one case.

In that case why did we not just get rid of all doctors because of Harold Shipman? Oh yea because not all cases/race/religion/reasons are the same when a crime is committed.

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:25

Heres something interesting

Some of the victims in this case were also being abused simultaneously by other men, four of whom were subsequently charged. Two of the cases collapsed but Armit Singh, 32, and Ricky Krong, 39, were jailed for sexual activity with children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...king-and-organising-prostitution-8616023.html

Seems these girls were also targeted by an Englishman and British Indian man too...

Dis86 · 15 May 2013 at 14:26

Neutralmilk said:
Ah so not all of the rape gangs are the same then? Why is one race being singled out in this case then? People are saying "Send them back" and so on but only applying it to one case.

In that case why did we not just get rid of all doctors because of Harold Shipman? Oh yea because not all cases/race/religion/reasons are the same when a crime is committed.

That's exactly what i'm saying ffs! I'm saying that in this one individual case race (of the victims) does appear to be an issue. I've never commented on any of the other cases because they need to all be looked at on an individual basis.

deuse · 15 May 2013 at 14:29

Craterloads said:
Heres something interesting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...king-and-organising-prostitution-8616023.html
...

But you failed to say that fighting between all the scum in the dock started when those two got off. Wonder why.....

Craterloads · 15 May 2013 at 14:31

Dis86 said:
That's exactly what i'm saying ffs! I'm saying that in this one individual case race (of the victims) does appear to be an issue. I've never commented on any of the other cases because they need to all be looked at on an individual basis.

I don't understand. Are you saying they only selected "white" girls based of the fact that all the victims happened to be white? You possibly had more of a case when including other rape gangs of Asian men than making assumptions of a single incident in Oxford.