Child sex trafficking ring found guilty

deuse · 15 May 2013 at 11:44

elmarko said:
I don't want the people in power to listen to the average Daily Mail reading idiot.

If you want a reduction in this kind of behaviour then I suggest you start voting for political parties which advocate evidence based policies, or at the very least don't vote for political parties which enact social policies which increase the occurrence of this kind of behaviour.

What are you on about? I suggest you try reading a bit i.e.

"Sara Thornton(chief constable) admitted that, despite complaints from victims, a joint investigation did not begin until 2011"

Shout and be heard.

eatcustard · 15 May 2013 at 11:45

mrk said:
Please provide sources.

Use Google and you will find them :rolleyes:

robgmun · 15 May 2013 at 11:45

OldCoals said:
That doesn't mean it is a contributory factor.

Sorry to burst you liberal bubble but in this case and others like it, it was a huge contributory factor. They wouldn't touch girls from the same community/religion as they saw them as higher and more worthy then variable white girls with serious social issues, they thought were no better then meat they they can abuse how they like.

Danthus · 15 May 2013 at 11:48

robgmun said:
Sorry to burst you liberal bubble but in this case and others like it, it was a huge contributory factor. They wouldn't touch girls from the same community/religion as they saw them as higher and more worthy then variable white girls with serious social issues, they thought were no better then meat they they can abuse how they like.

You must be the first on here to call me liberal!

That is more a cultural issue than a religious one in my opinion.

MrMarvelous · 15 May 2013 at 11:57

Oh look, Muslims.

robgmun · 15 May 2013 at 12:01

OldCoals said:
You must be the first on here to call me liberal!

That is more a cultural issue than a religious one in my opinion.

They would be the first to say that being Muslim they are one and the same

mrk · 15 May 2013 at 12:06

eatcustard said:
Use Google and you will find them

Ah the old "Google it noob" response. Brilliant.

scorza · 15 May 2013 at 12:14

elmarko said:
I don't recall the media or this forum having a field day about white people in the wake of all these child abuse scandals.

I just find it strange that when somebody of a different ethnicity is involved in a crime, their ethnic group is a key factor - but this same logic isn't applied whenever a white person is arrested.

How nice is must be to have two different standards.

Which child abuse scandals? There's a big difference imo between crimes that are isolated incidents of child abuse and conspiracies involving men from one subsection of society targeting girls from another subsection.

I do recall the media and this forum "having a field day" when the full extent of the Roman Catholic priest child abuse and subsequent cover-up came to light, and rightly so.

Yaayuh! · 15 May 2013 at 12:16

eatcustard said:
True, but a lot of these "sex" gangs i've heard of because they were thrown in my face by the media, are from one particular religion.

Fixed.

Otherwise, where did you find the statistics?

Danthus · 15 May 2013 at 12:18

elmarko said:
I don't recall the media or this forum having a field day about white people in the wake of all these child abuse scandals.

I just find it strange that when somebody of a different ethnicity is involved in a crime, their ethnic group is a key factor - but this same logic isn't applied whenever a white person is arrested.

How nice is must be to have two different standards.

Saville, care homes and the catholic child abuse scandals. Please don't make out that this story has received more attention because of who the offenders are.

zenf · 15 May 2013 at 12:33

A string of failings by social workers and police allowed the Oxfordshire gang to brutally exploit vulnerable schoolgirls, selling them for sex for seven years.

Operating from their Oxford base, the men targeted vulnerable and "out-of-control" youngsters, many of whom were in care homes.

They groomed them into believing they were in love and then exploited them, injecting them with heroin, forcing them into prostitution and even branding one of them with an electronic cigarette lighter.

I'm not disputing that white people/westerners/whatever commit sexual offences, but have there been any cases of groups of westerners committing these sorts of atrocities? It's not really the same as the Jimmy Saville stuff (not that that is acceptable either, obviously).

I find it quite strange how quick people are to say that this has nothing to do with culture even though it seems to only happen in certain cultures. If anyone has any links for groups of westerners targetting vulnerable children to sexually exploit them over many years, I'd be interested in seeing them.

Dis86 · 15 May 2013 at 12:42

As a bit of a side note, for those who are saying this isn't a race thing...it actually is. The scum in question specifically targetted white girls. They made it a race thing.

Kazz · 15 May 2013 at 12:43

Oldcoals a liberal

Neutralmilk · 15 May 2013 at 12:44

http://metro.co.uk/2009/05/07/paedophile-ring-guilty-of-shocking-sex-assaults-95665/

Not a muslim in sight in that group.

CREATIVE!11 · 15 May 2013 at 12:44

Dis86 said:
As a bit of a side note, for those who are saying this isn't a race thing...it actually is. The scum in question specifically targetted white girls. They made it a race thing.

Yep,

And notice how they are mostly Muslim and more often than not Pakistanis.

People can't bury their heads in the sand about this and press their little racism button.

Western people commit crimes YEAH DURRR but at the moment these child sex rings which are often widespread are mostly foreigners and not English people....

its not racism, IT'S FACT

zenf · 15 May 2013 at 12:48

Neutralmilk said:
http://metro.co.uk/2009/05/07/paedophile-ring-guilty-of-shocking-sex-assaults-95665/

Not a muslim in sight in that group.

While that's disturbing and disgusting, it seems they didn't target vulnerable children, get them addicted to heroine and then prostitute them so it's not really the same. Still abhorrent though.

zenf · 15 May 2013 at 12:51

CREATIVE!11 said:
its not racism, IT'S FACT

To be fair, I don't think race has anything to do with it. It's not like being asian is going to make you any more likely to do this sort of thing.

Cultural differences, attitudes towards women... Possibly.

PapaLazaru · 15 May 2013 at 12:54

Dis86 said:
As a bit of a side note, for those who are saying this isn't a race thing...it actually is. The scum in question specifically targetted white girls. They made it a race thing.

No it is not. Have you considered that they were targeted purely as they were the most vunerable? Have you also considered that just maybe, it is the poorer upbringing of white lower class girls that lead them to be in care and vunerable in the first place?

Who is to know that if there were not an abundance of vunerable young female muslim women they may have been targeteed the same? And maybe that muslim children ar brought up better?

robgmun · 15 May 2013 at 13:02

PapaLazaru said:
No it is not. Have you considered that they were targeted purely as they were the most vunerable? Have you also considered that just maybe, it is the poorer upbringing of white lower class girls that lead them to be in care and vunerable in the first place?

Following that logic, were any of the victims black or asian?

Name · 15 May 2013 at 13:08

PapaLazaru said:
it is the poorer upbringing of white lower class girls that lead them to be in care and vunerable in the first place?

I cant see in anyway how you can blame the poor girls for being in care, that is unfair, yeah you can blame the parents but at the end of the day the problem lies with the carers. They failed in their duty to protect them when they watched these men pick the girls up and drive them away week after week.

Surely if you're qualified to be in a role of responsibility you would put two and two together in this instance.