Chinese cars

Grim5 said:
Sales of pure EV (not hybrid) will accelerate faster now in China due to new rules. From last month, all cars in China that use fuel now have to do an additional annual test in which they check that the operation of the vehicle is working as it did when it was new, if the vehicle fails the test, the owner is told to repair and come back, if the vehicle fails the test 3 times, the vehicle is seized by the state and gets destroyed for scrap metal. Due to the vehicle needing to work without any issue, minor things like a door window motor not working will cause a fail, or air conditioning not working will cause a fail etc and also any and all error codes stored in the ECU also = test fail..
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Ah yes, this is classic China. Forcing economic growth by essentially steeling people’s property, thereby making people to buy another. Nothing to do with safety, never has, which is laughable considering the countries track record.

They did it this year for any electric driven bike because of increasing pressure from the CCP to boost region growth. The country is getting increasingly desperate for ideas.

Scooters, tiny vans, motorcycles, setting up roadblocks. Hilarious videos of riders dodging people in hi-vis jackets.

You could have course claim it back by travelling to the rural edges, pay fine specifically designed to be larger than the e-bike value. Huge huge fields of rotting e-bikes of all shapes and sizes just leaking into the ground. Though I did hear a lot were given away to poor farmers and such (probably some bribe or two involved).

Of course no consultation, no warning about “in 2027 these bikes will be banned”, nope, just one day you wake up to it.

Now it would appear they’re trying to do the same thing actual cars, just incredible really.
 
Do we really have a ‘U.K. car industry’?

I’d say we have a pan European car industry but if you slice it down to just the UK, things look a lot more precarious and have done for a long time.
 
Except there is nothing substandard about the Chinese EVs coming to market in the U.K.

That’s the point, they are actually competing on quality and price, you’d know that if you’d actually sat in one.

Plus there is nothing cheap about a Polestar or substandard about a modern MG.

The Chinese can compete at both ends of the market just like the Japanese and the Koreans did before them but with the benefit of much cheaper labour, for now anyway.
 
Just because the interior looks nice doesn't mean it's well made. We've experienced enough of that from JLR to know.

As seen above, quite a lot of these BYD things are combusting. Which is already an issue with Chinese E-bikes/scooters.
 
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Again to reiterate my post above, you’d know they are competing on both quality and price in all segments of the market if you’d actually sat in one or done even the tiniest amount of research.

Clearly you haven’t.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Except there is nothing substandard about the Chinese EVs coming to market in the U.K.

That’s the point, they are actually competing on quality and price, you’d know that if you’d actually sat in one.

Plus there is nothing cheap about a Polestar or substandard about a modern MG.

The Chinese can compete at both ends of the market just like the Japanese and the Koreans did before them but with the benefit of much cheaper labour, for now anyway.
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Having sat in several Chinese EVs, the interior quality matches its price, it's not competing above its price. From the outside it looks like it's good quality, but once inside after feeling, touching and looking closer, the material and build quality matches the price of the car, it just looks better than it actually is from distance because the Chinese cars are focused on form over function


Funny you should mention MG, the most recent one I was in was the "4" model, an interior that is full of hard plastics and material that easily scratches, not to mention a phone holder which is far away from the USB ports and which doesn't actually hold the phone and as soon as you accelerate your phone flies into the air and smacks your rear passengers in the face. The one I was in was brand new and the windows were all very noisy when opening and closing them as well. The rear view and 360 cameras are about 200p resolution and the emergency breaking and lane assist is so "hyperactive" that they're more likely to cause crashes than prevent it. The gear changing dial is again form over function and is horrible to use and having the AC controls on the touchscreen is always extremely annoying
 
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Grim5 said:
Having sat in several Chinese EVs, the interior quality matches its price, it's not competing above its price. From the outside it looks like it's good quality, but once inside after feeling, touching and looking closer, the material and build quality matches the price of the car, it just looks better than it actually is from distance because the Chinese cars are focused on form over function


Funny you should mention MG, the most recent one I was in was the "4" model, an interior that is full of hard plastics and material that easily scratches, not to mention a phone holder which is far away from the USB ports and which doesn't actually hold the phone and as soon as you accelerate your phone flies into the air and smacks your rear passengers in the face. The one I was in was brand new and the windows were all very noisy when opening and closing them as well. The rear view and 360 cameras are about 200p resolution and the emergency breaking and lane assist is so "hyperactive" that they're more likely to cause crashes than prevent it. The gear changing dial is again form over function and is horrible to use and having the AC controls on the touchscreen is always extremely annoying
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TBH the Teslas I've been in were almost as bad. A sea of cheap feeling, fake leather and plastic. Plus buggy software.

Obviously the Chinese will have copied designs from someone else (legally or illegally). But putting it all together well was always an issue for them.
 
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Nasher said:
Just because the interior looks nice doesn't mean it's well made. We've experienced enough of that from JLR to know.

As seen above, quite a lot of these BYD things are combusting. Which is already an issue with Chinese E-bikes/scooters.
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Wow you are doing special delivery already in new year, and before 1pm... impressive.
 
posted this before in ev thread ...but when you look at priorities of lucrative chinese consumers, fun driving experience isn't listed
... some mnc companies clearly aligning their cars with their (or marketting teams) 'needs'

(key - autonomous driving, multi national companies)
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The warranty would really concern me for a firm like BYD, which in classic China style massively expand, rack up eye watering debt, overbuild then flood market. Would wonder if my battery pack would be get replaced in say the 8th years by them should it go faulty. Fine for a cheap product but a car? No thanks.

An established brand that’s been around forever but owned by a Chinese company is alittle different.
 
Ali195 said:
The warranty would really concern me for a firm like BYD, which in classic China style massively expand, rack up eye watering debt, overbuild then flood market. Would wonder if my battery pack would be get replaced in say the 8th years by them should it go faulty. Fine for a cheap product but a car? No thanks.

An established brand that’s been around forever but owned by a Chinese company is alittle different.
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Whilst Im quite the critic of Chinese cars and many Chinese companies in general, I wouldn’t have picked BYD for that argument.
They’ve been around almost 30 years and started out with batteries. They’re huge and they’re growing in Europe. Hell, I’ve even visited a BYD showroom (MK) and driven one, which can only be said about MG as another Chinese brand I’ve tried.
 
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