Chinese cars
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posted this before in ev thread ...but when you look at priorities of lucrative chinese consumers, fun driving experience isn't listed
... some mnc companies clearly aligning their cars with their (or marketting teams) 'needs'
(key - autonomous driving, multi national companies)
Chinese customers seem to understand that a car is a 2 ton killing machine and not a toy to have fun with.
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Bless. Not many of you know what Chinese city (where the money is) driving is like.
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Did anyone see the bigwang or whatever it's called floating down a flooded road? Thing behaved like a boat with decent buoyancy lol
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I spent two weeks in Beijing and two weeks in Kochi in 2016.
For all the apparent chaos on Indian roads, I only saw one very minor collision despite having a two hour commute along insanely busy roads. In Beijing, I travelled 5 stops on the metro with a 500 metres walk either end and saw 3-4 serious multi vehicle crashes. There might have been more, but most of my attention as a pedestrian was watching out for the swarms of nearly silent electric tricycles which were allowed to use part of the pavement.
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Yeah and they drive with binary throttles. Hence driving dynamics feature low
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posted this before in ev thread ...but when you look at priorities of lucrative chinese consumers, fun driving experience isn't listed
... some mnc companies clearly aligning their cars with their (or marketting teams) 'needs'
(key - autonomous driving, multi national companies)
The driving world has changed. Congested roads, poor quality roads, an increase of the daily grind, more and more people seem less focussed on driving for fun now. I don’t even see many fun cars around, just roads full of SUVs. It’s getting increasingly costly too.
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Neither country’s traffic was a scary as the trips between airport and hotel in Moscow in 2016. Absolute “I must pass everyone else and I don’t care who dies” mentality, though everyone gives way to blacked out Merc SUVs with blue lights on them.
Yea, otherwise you get gulaged. Or have a window accident.
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I’m not sure a material number of people ever drove ‘for fun’.
It’s always been a hobby enjoyed by the few, not the many. For everyone else the car has only ever mean a means to get from A to B.
Is Reeves not going to discuss chinese car imports during her boondoggle there - the disparity with europe where chinese mftrd imports mg/byd/geely have raised duties, is giving them
an unfair advantage in the UK market versus stellantis/vag, and whether those imports and the cars maintenance will be a longer term negative to English economy.
(if reeves doesn't the parallel between her and Truss, her Australian deal, become more valid)
Vag De workers being made redundant/re-structured , like Nissan must be p*** off too.
Whether govt is just adopting this bloody minded attitude to show support for brexit and the UK's independence
an unfair advantage in the UK market versus stellantis/vag, and whether those imports and the cars maintenance will be a longer term negative to English economy.
(if reeves doesn't the parallel between her and Truss, her Australian deal, become more valid)
Vag De workers being made redundant/re-structured , like Nissan must be p*** off too.
Whether govt is just adopting this bloody minded attitude to show support for brexit and the UK's independence
There are already tariffs on Chinese cars.
Stellantis and VW are also foreign owned and the vast majority of their cars sold in the U.K. are produced outside of the U.K. if a Chinese car replaces another foreign import, the impact on our economy is negligible as we didn’t benefit from the manufacture of that car either.
Brexit has done more damage to our car manufacturing industry than the Chinese ever will and made UK car manufacturing very vulnerable regardless of the Chinese entering the market. Manufacturing is being pulled back to mainland Europe because of Brexit, not China.
The only mainstream car manufacturer still based in the U.K. is JLR and even they are foreign owned now. The other niche manufacturers based here are not really impacted.
Likewise, outside of MG which used to be a British brand, UK buyers don’t seem to be flocking to Chinese cars at all.
What are you suggesting we need to protect with more tariffs?
P.s. last time I checked, we live in the United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, we are more than just England.
Stellantis and VW are also foreign owned and the vast majority of their cars sold in the U.K. are produced outside of the U.K. if a Chinese car replaces another foreign import, the impact on our economy is negligible as we didn’t benefit from the manufacture of that car either.
Brexit has done more damage to our car manufacturing industry than the Chinese ever will and made UK car manufacturing very vulnerable regardless of the Chinese entering the market. Manufacturing is being pulled back to mainland Europe because of Brexit, not China.
The only mainstream car manufacturer still based in the U.K. is JLR and even they are foreign owned now. The other niche manufacturers based here are not really impacted.
Likewise, outside of MG which used to be a British brand, UK buyers don’t seem to be flocking to Chinese cars at all.
What are you suggesting we need to protect with more tariffs?
P.s. last time I checked, we live in the United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, we are more than just England.
the dam great byd garage I saw in Peterborough last week .. the british public will be flocking soon for their pcp deals ,
I'd like to know if byd uk investment is disproportionate with eu
even the lesser, more stringent eu rules of origin , guess we are waiting for govt to rule on that,
maybe once Nissan/jlr starts laying off people starmer will pull his finger out.
I'd like to know if byd uk investment is disproportionate with eu
uk has not adopted eu stance (I had posed the question before in this thread, but had looked up the answer this time before my affirmation)
even the lesser, more stringent eu rules of origin , guess we are waiting for govt to rule on that,
maybe once Nissan/jlr starts laying off people starmer will pull his finger out.
Sorry, have you bought a UK made car recently? Why do you care if you are a hypocrite?
What investment?
Their operation surmounts to a relatively small retail and service business. They don’t make anything here, all the high value activity is done in China.
There are only 4 volume manufacturers left in the U.K. Nissan, Mini, JLR and Stelantis. JLR is the only company actually based here, Mini have long been established here but the other two are a massive flight risk regardless of what China is doing and have been for a long time.
Nissan have a tiny fraction of their operations here and have been threatening to pull out of the U.K. for at least a decade. The ‘Chinese electric car invasion’ was not a thing when it first started to be considered, Brexit wasn’t even a thing.
Companies based in the EU don’t want to manufacture stuff here anymore because we are not in the EU. Nissan don’t really want to manufacture here anymore because access to the EU market has been frustrated. They only stayed because the conservatives bunged them a load of empty promises.
Given Nissans troubles, I expect they’ll want to retreat back to Japan anyway to utilise their capacity there and I’m pretty sure they now have a 0 tariff trade deal with the EU from the early 2030’s. So once that fully takes effect, I expect Sunderland is done and it has nothing to do with Chinese imports.
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Toyota are in the UK ! And that’s an investment. Not sure how BYD has invested in the uk. Have Apple invested in the uk cause they sell phones here ?
Ironically, I’d guess more cars are sold by JLR into China than into the UK
Ironically, I’d guess more cars are sold by JLR into China than into the UK
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Why on earth would they adopt the same tariffs as the EU? It would help absolutely nobody and only hurt UK people buying cars, by making them more expensive. The UK doesn't have the same kind of car manufacture base as the EU. Give it time though and the EU will end up more like the UK, the ship has sailed and they will never again be the same power house.