Chinese Grand Prix 2010, Shanghai - Race 4/19

Vettel is still favourite to win the Drivers Championship by quite a bit. Obviously slipped a bit after today.
 
I think Massa has consistently lacked "fight". Give him a good car, and a good qualifying, so he can lead from the front and he's imperious. But if things go slightly against him he rarely battles to get anything back from it. Hamilton and Alonso will steadily fight their way back from anywhere and drag every last drop from any race; Massa gives up when it doesn't go his way.
 
dannyjo22, sunama - remind me again which drivers have multiple podium finishes this season?.

Podiums in the 2nd best car on the grid, well done. At no point this year has he looked like winning a race or looked to be making great headway when he's had a bit of bad luck. He's just plodding away holding up his team mate and being fortunate to end up on the podium.

I'm sorry I know you like him but I just don't see him as worthy of being in the biggest and best team in f1. He's a plodder that does well when the car is awesome and he's team mate is deadwood. Yes he's won the same number of races from pole as Hamilton but the driving from the two is worlds apart.

As was said today, when hamilton was 50 seconds behind rosberg, Jock knew his pace would be a feature. You never get that from Massa, if he's in the midfield he doesn't charge, he stalls and recovers when those around him falter.

I've been no great fan of Hamilton or Alonso but this year both have won me over. Alonsos relentless consistant race pace and Hamiltons pushing through the field.

I wish massa was better because he's a bloody lovely bloke, but sadly he's nothing but a half decent no2.

Reliability issues apart I'm confident backing Alonso would bring the title to Ferrari as it did in the MS years. The old Ferrari guard would know this instantly off the pace of the drivers. Speed wise it would be hard to find a driver doing worse for pace against his team mate than massa and he's the established driver at the team.
 
What we are saying is that Ferrari need to recognise this and perhaps define a policy where if a Ferrari driver is climbing all over the back of another Ferrari driver, the driver in front, should give way. This is actually a strategy which used to be practised in previous decades (to avoid 2 team-mates taking eachother off).

Exactly, tell the drivers you have 5 laps to respond to your team mates lap times or get the **** out the way. Swings and roundabouts to be re-payed if by some miracle massa could reverse the roles ;)

It's not ideal but the ferrari seems to struggle more than most in dirty air this year that it would make sense.
 
I know what you mean I'm sure I speak for everyone on OCUK when I say that I missed Vetels finger celebration. :D

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here he is today after finishing sixth.
 
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Well, I don't know guys. When Ferrari used to exercise team orders everyone railed at them for it. And now you want them to use team orders. I just don't get it, I really don't.

Maybe one day Ferrari will somehow work up a situation that keeps you all happy.
 
Did anyone see the fact that McLaren's rear exhaust setup was uneven today?

They had an asymmetrical exhaust layout with the lefthand side of both cars had something extra. This could clearly be seen when the cars were lining up on the grid from behind - the left hand side where the exhaust came out was more prominent than at the same place on the right.
 
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Did anyone see the fact that McLaren's rear exhaust setup was uneven today?

They had an asymmetrical exhaust layout with the lefthand side of both cars had something extra. This could clearly be seen when the cars were lining up on the grid from behind - the left hand side where the exhaust came out was more prominent than at the same place on the right.


They have been doing that for a while on various tracks, last year they even had asymmetrical inlets, it was rumoured to be becuase of extra cooling needed for the kers system but as that isnt there i can only guess the one side has a extra radiator that needs a bit more air going through.
 
Frank, given Hamilton's driving style of "eyeballs out", every lap, I find it difficult to believe that he was "going easy" because Button was leading. You can bet your bottom dollar that Hamilton was driving as fast as he could and would not have hesitated if the opportunity had presented itself to overtake Button.

I think its also fair to say that Hamilton wants to establish himself as No.1 and if he has the opportunity to overtake/beat Button, he will jump at the chance.

In those final laps, I believe both Button and Hamilton were driving as fast as their cars would allow.

Or would McLaren want to risk a definite 1-2 by both cars pushing as hard as they could in tricky conditions.......personally I have a feeling McLaren wanted the 1 - 2, but we will never know....

Yeah. Makes sense to me that they can't cross the lines on the way out but on the way in people are slowing down and coming off the track.

Im sure someone has been penalised crossing the white lines going INTO the pits in the last 2 - 3 seasons, although I cant remember where
 
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Personally I can't believe Button has gone to Hamiltons team where Lewis is Well established & done so well. Nobody can tell me that Lewis is not Royally ***** off. Fair play to the Dude for being a man about it but Nobody can tell me he isn't Gutted.
It's a Long season & until it finishes we won't know who is best but for now Button has done Amazing whether you like him or not.
 
Well, I don't know guys. When Ferrari used to exercise team orders everyone railed at them for it. And now you want them to use team orders. I just don't get it, I really don't.

Maybe one day Ferrari will somehow work up a situation that keeps you all happy.

To me there is a big difference between having a driver move aside to let another win and letting one in 10th move aside to let his team mate who is faster try to get the bets points possible for the team.

I don't think many people would have a problem with Massa letting a team mate past when he was clearly faster. In the past though Ferrari would let the slightly slower driver past. That to me is the difference. Although I wouldn't mind them doing that when the title is over for one driver and not the other. Such as Mika Salo moving over to gift the Irv a win to help him in the title race.
 
Personally I can't believe Button has gone to Hamiltons team where Lewis is Well established & done so well. Nobody can tell me that Lewis is not Royally ***** off. Fair play to the Dude for being a man about it but Nobody can tell me he isn't Gutted.
It's a Long season & until it finishes we won't know who is best but for now Button has done Amazing whether you like him or not.

Hamilton will start winning again sooner rather than later :) He's had a bit of a bad patch, both some bad luck but also some poor qually performances on his part.

I fully expect a huge fightback from him to start in 3 weeks time.

This is what he needed though. McLaren are engineering him rather well now. Hamilton needed this body blow to make him realise quite a few things. He will come back so much stronger once he has passed through this learning process :)

PS: Don't forget it was Hamilton that asked for Jenson to be brought into the team last year. It is almost as though he wanted this challenge himself because he knew it would help him.
 
PinkFloyd - seriously? You really think someone with abolutely no racecraft at all took The Almighty Messiah Our Lord And Saviour Lewis Hamilton™ to the final round for the title in '08?

Driving the best car availible with points being gifted to him from all direction by stewards, whilst Hamilton had points stripped from him!

I just don't think he has much going for him beyond lapping quickly :p
 
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