Chinese Grand Prix 2010, Shanghai - Race 4/19

Not giving the rest of the drivers enough credit imo, in virtually every sport that ever existed athletes have gotten better each generation.

Even back in 05/06 when Schumi had no excuses as such Alonso beat him to two world titles and even he is now struggling.

Agreed, and with Massa towards the end of Schumi's career (or at least the last stint). Could just be age though, who knows. I did laugh at all the people though who were like, "Shumacher is back, Shumacher for the title this year" :rolleyes:

I still don't understand the reason for his comeback. This was always a possibility.
 
If I were you, I'd be more worried about Lewis Hamilton. Four races in, he's been outqualified three times and is 11 points behind the guy that half the world said in the run up to the season he would annihilate. He hasn't even led a lap yet and Jenson already has two wins on the board. Lord knows I'm far from being a fully paid-up member of the Lewis Hamilton Worshipping Society™, but I would have thought that he'd have at least led a lap by now.

Absolutely! The relative difference between Button and Hamilton is far more surprising (worrying for Hamilton) than the relative difference between Rosberg and Schumacher.
 
So which is worse....

1) A moderate Championsip finish with Rosberg as the lead driver and writing off the Gazzillions of $$$ MS is being paid, with a car that suits the current rules and tyres etc etc

2) a 1/2 way house which would probably not suit either driver and probably wouldnt get you anywhere near as many points as 1)

3) A car totally suited around MS, where he looks his best even though the tyres dont last (after all he would be throwing the car around at the back etc), and Rosberg trails around tthe mid-grid

Very basic view I know but surely 1) is always going to be the favoured option even if it costs Merc a lot to get MS back (I wonder how much of that they have gained back by other means)


( I have to admit to finding his performances so far pretty amusing)
 
Schumi has become a bit of a prima donna. He thinks he is still the best with quotes like "I can still win the WDC this year" but it's so blatent to everyone else that he has faded.
 
Bore-rain - they finished only 4 seconds apart.

But crucially, Rosberg finished ahead. Fair enough though - this was MS's first race back.

Australia - car was damaged at turn 1.

Just how much damage was actually taken? I've read very little regarding the damage actually taken.

Malaysia - car broke.

He was well behind Rosberg when his car broke, so I would count this as another beating at the hands of his team-mate.

And then we get to China. That car looked awful in his hands, ...

And yet Rosberg was running in 2nd place at the time. Once again, another beating at the hands of Rosberg.

The only race where MS can claim he didnt take a beating was in Australia and that was only because of alleged damage to his car. Had he not had taken damage to his car in that race I'm 100% sure he would've taken another beating.

The difference between a top line driver and a midfield driver is that the top line driver will extract the maximum out of the car in any given circumstance. No excuses. Obviously, as the car is adapted to his driving style, the car will pick up speed (in comparison to the team-mate).

Remember, this is MS we are talking about. Not some has-been who was owed a favour, so decided to drive an F1 car for a few weekends. MS has never been so comprehensively outperformed by a team-mate in his entire career (a decade and half).

And yet despite all that he held off The Messiah™ in a far superior car for several laps.

Hamilton did say that MS was very competitive when they raced. But, MS did eventually yield.

We're four races in. We haven't even started the European leg of the championship. It's his first year back after three seasons out. It's no shock that Rosberg is leading him right now.

True. But to be so far behind Rosberg (Rosberg - 50 pts, MS - 10 pts). No other pair of team-mates on the grid have such a big difference in point totals.

If I were you, I'd be more worried about Lewis Hamilton. Four races in, he's been outqualified three times and is 11 points behind the guy that half the world said in the run up to the season he would annihilate.

Button has done EXTREMELY well. Part of that is down to his astute decision making in wet/damp conditions. His decision making was the cause for both those race wins. In contrast, Hamilton has followed his team's guidelines on tyre choice and has come off 2nd best on both occassions.

Nobody can argue against the fact that in pretty much all the races so far this year, Hamilton has looked the "raciest" and it is only a matter of time that he will start winning races. The simple fact is that Hamilton doesnt have the same ability as Button, when making tyre choices, while racing. Button has a very cool/calm head and this is his biggest asset.

Hamilton's strength lies in his ability to overtake and make the car go faster than any other F1 driver can manage. Dry races should show this up. The only problem for Hamilton is that in the dry, he will have to deal with Vettel/RedBull.
 
Hamilton did say that MS was very competitive when they raced. But, MS did eventually yield.

Looked more like MS tyres went off from battling with Hamilton. Which would explain why it took a couple laps for LH to get past and why the Red Bulls sneaked past far more easily.

LH was a little cautious on some of his moves around MS. Because he doesn't want to get taken out, either by accident or on purpose.
 
There's a lot of love between Button and Hamilton at the moment it seems, both praising each other...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83065

Jenson Button said:
"I'd love to fight for the championship in a more exciting way, but there's more chance of being consistent," he explained. "Lewis has had some amazing races to watch. I watched the last couple of races and Melbourne was a pretty exciting race.

"The last one, for the first part of the race, was pretty exciting. So yeah, he's doing a great job and I think we're both dong a fantastic job.

"It's good to have a team-mate who's that competitive. The guy will never give up. He's like a pit-bull. He will never give up. He is going to fight until the end and I love having a team-mate who's like that. He's amazingly quick. He's an exceptional driver.

"That's also nice because we push each other very hard and we are going to be pushing each other very hard this year. It's shown over the last few races, I think. We haven't really had a race together, except for this one, at the end."
 
In contrast, Hamilton has followed his team's guidelines on tyre choice and has come off 2nd best on both occassions.

Undoubtedly Button's victories came from astute tyre calls in tricky conditions - and imo this comes from a number of years experience - something LH wont gain over night, imo LH cant stop trusting the team just like that otherwise that could open a can of worms - another thing is that every situation is different, LH will become better and better in this regard but I dont expect it to happen this season


Nobody can argue against the fact that in pretty much all the races so far this year, Hamilton has looked the "raciest" and it is only a matter of time that he will start winning races. The simple fact is that Hamilton doesnt have the same ability as Button, when making tyre choices, while racing. Button has a very cool/calm head and this is his biggest asset.

LH has looked the raciest.....but then he has needed to be also , its pretty hard to look "racy" when you are at the front in a new reasonably unfamiliar car.... especially in tricky conditions

(in one sense, any driver in 2nd really pushing to get near the leader and going off still looks a hero for trying, someone going off while in the lead (even if their lead is only a few seconds) is an idiot......)

Hamilton did very well in Malaysia when they both started from the back of the grid, Button went inside and LH went outside the pack and LH won the start sprint easily and that led to an "easier" race, whether that was luck or judgement who knows

Borain they both gained one place on their grid positions - does "more racey" count when the result is no different ? Is LH's driving style intrinsic in making him look more racey than JB....


Hamilton's strength lies in his ability to overtake and make the car go faster than any other F1 driver can manage. Dry races should show this up. The only problem for Hamilton is that in the dry, he will have to deal with Vettel/RedBull.

Totally agree - and add to that the link I posted earlier about small /tighter circuits where RB will be more favourable too (and LH's tyre wear may well increase) it will be an interesting balancing act for LH

Also even more potential for changable weather in the likes of GB, France, Germany......
 
We dont really know much about LH's normal pace tyre wear, so far he has to push far harder and be in much dirtier air then those just cruising around at the front.

I think things will stabilise a lot in the main europe leg and see LH slowly overtake button and squae up against the red bulls.
 
Undoubtedly Button's victories came from astute tyre calls in tricky conditions - and imo this comes from a number of years experience - something LH wont gain over night

He's taken part in 56 Grands Prix now. At what point do we say he's had enough time to get some experience? :)
 
He's taken part in 56 Grands Prix now. At what point do we say he's had enough time to get some experience? :)

a lot of those will have been in one condition or another (rather than changable) - and also remember the tyres have been narrowed this year making it potentially harder still ;)
 
My personal take on tyre choice is that Button is and will always be better at choosing tyres. Hamilton (with McLaren's advice), just doesnt seem to make the right calls when it comes to tyres - this has been the case right throughout his F1 career...even on dry tracks.

Hamilton either has to take the gamble and from here on in, make his own decisions or continue to allow McLaren to make the tyre decisions for him and then presume that he will have to make up the gap (resulting from McLaren's poor tyre choice) and then drive out of his skin to make up the difference.

I remember in Germany 2008 (not 100% sure), when McLaren made him pit twice, while all the other cars pitted once. This forced Hamilton to drive like a crazed animal, overtaking people left, right and centre. He won the race though, but this was more due to his overwhelming pace.

Maybe he should come to an agreement with Button, who in future, will decide on his behalf, what tyres to change to? :p
 
I remember in Germany 2008 (not 100% sure), when McLaren made him pit twice, while all the other cars pitted once. This forced Hamilton to drive like a crazed animal, overtaking people left, right and centre. He won the race though, but this was more due to his overwhelming pace.

Or you could say because he pitted twice his tyres were better which enabled him to gain places again and finish in front. If he and the team thought he could make those places given fresh tyres why not.

It's a little disingenuous though when it comes to a race like melbourne when he's demanding to know who pulled him in - if he'd been able to overtake people and get to the front he'd be grinning ear to ear.

Maybe he should come to an agreement with Button, who in future, will decide on his behalf, what tyres to change to? :p

Button is willing to make his own decisions which I'm not so sure Hamilton is, but the thing with bold decisions is you're a genius when you pick right and you're a reckless idiot when it goes wrong for you.
 
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